A lot of what is on a North American truck is sourced through big parts buyers around the world.
the Nippendeso [I think I mispelled that] starter.
The injectors from Turkey or Brazil as well as many other components.
Bosch is a German company and they out-source many of their parts to cheaper factories in other countries with the Bosch name.
Dig a little deeper and you will find that a big percentage of the Dodge or any other truck is made from imported parts through the manufacturer or supplier of the components that make the truck.

Toyota will have a diesel truck on the market that will compete directly with the big 3.
The big 3 know it already. We as the general public are the last to know these things. Alliances among the major automotive manufacturers are more common place now then ever. Sharing of technology and parts is here to stay.

Scotty

 

I've been beating toyota's on rocks for years. I can attest to their excellent engineering. They are simple and tough. If they can build a 3/4-1 ton pickup that's as tough as 1st-2nd gen mini trucks and 4runners, that will be the best truck EVER made IMO.

AFA a Cummins a toy...why not? dodge should switch over to benz diesels in a few years and toyota knows we trust the Cummins name. Hardly anyone knows Hino.

I can see it know, one ton toy front axles with king pins and 3rd members, gear driven t cases, reliable electronics and a Cummins. I don't care how you feel about "jap crap" if this truck makes it to market, it will be the best diesel truck money can buy. If puts the big 3 on their faces it's their own fault for being slow to react and treating us like jerks.

 

I couldnt agree more!!

 

You believe to much of "Toyota is better then God" stories! There cars are NO better then GM`s cars. (And that is a fact!) 10-20 years ago (maybe even 5-7 years ago!) they were, but not anymore!

By the way, model for model, GM vehicles get better fuel mileage then toyota. And they have bigger engines and have more power to boot!

I was under the impression that Cummins owners were die hards. But most of you sound like your ready to jump ship without knowing how far it is to shore!

 

I have had GM cars and Toyota 's ,and I know for a fact Toyota is a LOT better than any GM

 

C'mon, lets not turn this thread into a Toyota vs. the USA pissing match. As the owner of a Land Cruiser I have to speak up. Toyota has always built simple, tough, function over form trucks plain and simple. Go anywhere from South America to Africa, or Asia to Australia and you'll find that Toyota trucks are the overwhelming choice for brutal, abusive work conditions in everything from farming to mining. The trucks are dirt simple and overbuilt as far as strength is concerned.

My Cruiser is a perfect example. It's powered by a massive all cast iron 258 cubic inch inline six that an 8 year old could tear down and put back together. Behind that is a cast iron 4 speed with gear driven transfer case. These trannys have been bolted to everything from the torque monster Toyota (Hino) diesels to 454 big blocks. Ask anyone with a built up diesel or gasser conversion in their FJ-40-the wink leak is RARELY in the geartrain. As for the ring and pinion/axles they're a sight to behold as well with 4.11 gears and massive axleshafts.

If I could compare a Toyota truck to anything I would have to say a Listeroid diesel engine. The engines that are dirt simple, chug away at 600 rpm, make gobs of torque, are able to be dissassembled with a crecent wrench, and power the majority of most former colonies of the British empire. Toyota trucks are K.I.S.S. at its best because most of them are used in places where regular maintenance is either irregular or non-existant, and nice warm, organized garages are few and far between.

That being said, tell me that none of you would buy this truck if you could just because it's "Jap Crap." C'mon, 4.2L turbo diesel, 5 speed, hand throttle, snorkel package, ute tray body...

 

Someone needs to post the link for the vid of Topgear trying to destroy a toyota diesel. The crashed it into a tree, put it out to sea, set it on fire, drove through a building, dropped a trailer onto it,... and it still ran and drove with no replacement parts.

 

everyone knows toyotas last forever and they've had diesels on foreign markets for years. and you know wat, GOD bless them if they're putting plants in the US b/c this whole "American deisgned" Mexican built ******** needs to stop.

 

I've got no idea where the technology of Toyota's engines are today, or how they've progressed over the years. But original straight 6 engine used in the Cruiser during the late 60's and at least through the 70's was designed, and used by GM for many years. The Japs bought all of GMs tooling and machinery for that engine after GM changed their 6 in the mid 50's.

 

Ask and you shall receive.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0UVI99R8Q

NOTE TO NON-BROADBAND USERS - the vid is about 16 minutes long - you probably won't want to try watching it on dialup unless you're REALLY patient...

 

If you doubt Toyota after watching THIS video, you are simply in denial. Very cool, and quite a testament to their durability.
Also, I have been thinking while reading through this thread, The Camry deserves props to. My old neighbor had one with over 230K on it. Still using it as a daily driver, not worried a bit.

 

I rather push a Toyota than own another GM product.

MikeyB

 

Rumor has it among cruiserheads that some of the bottom end parts of the old stove bolt sixes interchange with the Toyota, but I doubt they're that similar. The Japanese copying good design is nothing new, hell the concept of the FJ-40 was inspired by the ****** Jeeps that were all over Japan after the war. The FJ-40 is simply a heavier duty Jeep. The thing is they had the good sense to stick with something simple that worked. The "F" series bottom end stayed virtually unchanged from 1958 to 1987 because it was such a proven design.

 

i saw that on tv a while back. UBER-IMPRESSIVE!

 

I saw that toyota truck video. Very cool! I used to live in the back woods in northern CA and toyota hilux was the truck of choice. Very tough, very simple, cheap to repair, and did I mention tough?

I love my Cummins truck, but the body and interior are just not up to the task of keeping up with the engine. My last Toy had about 260k miles on it when it got a timing chain problem and got parked. It was the second motor, but a rebuilt longblock only costs $1100! The instruments are fine, suspension fine, body fine except where I dented it. My Dodge has almost exactly the same mileage, but the seat is all broken down, the instrument panel is constantly on the fritz, the door hinges are sagging, paint is peeling everywhere, the power windows are sticky and balky and the radio hasn't worked in at least 100,000 miles. I'd say that if Toyota were to market a diesel here, it would be a huge hit.

As to Dodge service, when I blew a fusible link in my truck, I called the dealer and they told me I had to buy a whole wiring harness ($1100), because I couldn't get just the FL part. They insisted that the fusible links were not separable from the wiring harness and wouldn't tell me how much amperage the links were so I could fix them myself, and this was the answer I got from two different dealerships. There is NO way I would buy a new Dodge.

Toyota diesels are common everywhere else in the world, where economy and durability are more important than neck-snapping acceleraton and sheer size. Canada is full of sensible diesel landcruisers and hiluxes. So my brother actually wrote Toyota, begging them to sell the products they are ALREADY making for other markets, in the US, and they actually wrote back and said they had no plans to do so, that the US market was not interested in small diesel pickups.

Toyota vs GM? No contest. I'd take a toyota over most GM trucks any day. The last time GM made a truck built to last was in about 1972. I used to see tons of seventies and eighties chevy trucks for sale cheap in northern CA, because they got all rusted out and beat up and broken. Toyotas held their value.


One more note about Toyotas: I was practicing cutting up vehicles to rescue people with the fire department a few weeks ago. We had an older nissan sentra and a camry from about 1990. The sentra was a pop can, very easy to cut and peel apart. The Camry? wow! VERY tough, and much harder to cut open. Nuff said!