Anyone else see the articles in diesel power this month hinting to Toyota teaming up with CAT? They hinted about the rear axle being over built, bigger than the current F-350 rear and how they have teamed with CAT on the track and pulled a CAT skid steer in with a Tundra for the reveal at SEMA. I think this would be a hard combo to beat.

 

I am not saying it won't happen but it is not likely. That was the rumor for the new Chevy years ago was a CAT motor and you see what they have. An Isuzu. Ford and Navistar is a prime example why CAT would not get in the game. The only way they would is if they did like Cummins does with Dodge. Sell the engines with no warranty type deal and I don't see that happening. I see Toyota with their own engine that they designed and built.

 

I read that... won't happen...

But a few issues back a little comment the editor made kind of ticked me off...

"If Dodge owners were given the chance of trading their Cummins for a Cat, I'm sure they would"

 

toyota is selling diesel trucks this year in the UK. Im unsure of the motor but I think its a HINO or something like that. Maybe they are in the UK first to work out all the bugs and glitches before it comes here

 

Toyota invested over $320 million in Isuzu . That's where their diesel will come from.

 

My bet is going to be with Toyota's Hino diesel division.

MikeyB

 

No way . Hino engines could never compete with Cummins . The whole purpose of investing in Isuzu was to let Isuzu provide diesel technology while Toyota engineers worked on hybrids .

 

like ive said before, and its only my opinion, but i dont think cat wants any part of the consumer pickup truck market. they dont make an engine small enough that passes emissions, (we've all heard the C7 will fit in a pickup, but its not going in one), cat will want a rediculous warranty on the powertrain, knowing their engines will get through it, where-as the auto manufacturer's parts of the drivetrain probably wont, cat does not want someone else's ecm or program running their engine/fuel system, and cat likes to give the orders, not take them.

cat has no problem getting all the engines they can produce out the factory doors to waiting customers.

 

What are you basing that statement on? I've driven a lot of Hino bobtails with Hino diesels and they always got the job done. And there are a LOT of Hinos on the road outside of the U.S.....

 

I don't see CAT teaming up with anyone to produce a diesel for these types of pickups. I know we would all like to see it done but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime in the near future.

 

Those are all good points. Cat really has nothing to gain by getting into the pickup market. A successful company like that is asking itself "What do we stand to gain or lose from a deal like this?" And the risk isn't worth the gain. Toyota knows aswell as anybody that it doesn't matter what product they bring to market if it doesn't hit a competitive price point with the competition it won't sell. If a loaded Tundra already clears $40K a heavy duty Cat powered truck will not be competitive with what's already available. As for the guy that says Cummins owners will drop cummins for a Cat, he's living in a dream world. I get so tired of hearing people say that Cat is sooo great. Based on what? Cummins is just as heavy into the industrial offroad and genset market as Cat is. Cummins is also just as heavy into the rig engines as Cat is too. If you want a great example of marketing sucess look no further than that yellow paint. They'd have you believe that they build the only diesel engine that matters and stupid people will always believe it.

 

I'm basing that statement on the $320 million Toyota invested in Isuzu for diesel technology . Hinos have been here several years . I've read plenty of complaints about them from expeditors . Hinos are good for light work but don't have the torque or power for serious work .

 

That yellow paint has the same effect of green paint in other markets

 

But I thought "nothin runs like a deere!"

 

Toyota with a CAT?
What a waste of a good engine.......