running lean?
Re:running lean?
Remote,<br><br>Only you can answer whether its time for injectors. I don't know anything about your banks stuff to know what you *could or should* do.<br><br>If you're getting your EGT pretty hot, and If you don't already have a fitting on your turbo that keeps the wastegate shut a bit longer, which gives higher boost pressure, thus lowering EGT, I'd at least pursue that. Just to lower the EGT a bit, not necessarily for more power.<br><br>I'm sure there are things you can do, I'm just not so familiar with your truck and am no expert.<br><br>Personally, I'm making about 295 / 650 to the rear tires. I get a little smoke if I get on it before the boost comes up. But it goes to a haze, then clears, and give me real good power. All for $660 and some bargain shopping!<br><br>- JyRO
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Re:running lean?
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question then, If i have no signs of smoke, then is it time to up the stock injectors to match the rest of the upgrades?
and if i do that, how much will the egt raise? i feel i am pushing it now.
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Personally, I agree with BB up above - you are at optimum as it now stands - and as already stated, to now simply increase fuel delivery with bigger injectors, no other changes, will NOT likely increase POWER, but WILL most likely increase EGT significantly - and you DON'T want THAT!
I'm in the same ballpark as JyRO (see truck specs below for dyno readings) - all I have is a Comp - and on 5x5, maximum setting, I see 32 PSI boost, 1200 EGT, slight haze from the exhaust - and a clutch that WILL slip if I try to push it in 6th gear at down around 1600-1800 RPM up a grade towing our 5th wheel...
I consider my setup as well matched as is reasonably possible - and if I *did* add injectors to the mix, I would ALSO have to add a stiffer clutch and larger exhaust system system to restore balance to my system and bring EGT's back down to a livable level...
question then, If i have no signs of smoke, then is it time to up the stock injectors to match the rest of the upgrades?
and if i do that, how much will the egt raise? i feel i am pushing it now.
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Personally, I agree with BB up above - you are at optimum as it now stands - and as already stated, to now simply increase fuel delivery with bigger injectors, no other changes, will NOT likely increase POWER, but WILL most likely increase EGT significantly - and you DON'T want THAT!
I'm in the same ballpark as JyRO (see truck specs below for dyno readings) - all I have is a Comp - and on 5x5, maximum setting, I see 32 PSI boost, 1200 EGT, slight haze from the exhaust - and a clutch that WILL slip if I try to push it in 6th gear at down around 1600-1800 RPM up a grade towing our 5th wheel...
I consider my setup as well matched as is reasonably possible - and if I *did* add injectors to the mix, I would ALSO have to add a stiffer clutch and larger exhaust system system to restore balance to my system and bring EGT's back down to a livable level...
Re:running lean?
Remote, your fine. You don't need to up the injectors just because you dont see the smoke. Smoke is nothing more than unburned fuel going through your exhaust. That's it. The less fuel you have going through your exhaust, means the more fuel your burning in the cylinder. The more fuel your burning in the cylinder, the more power your getting. ;D Clear as mud?
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"i guess my real concern is, wasn't real happy pulling my 30fter. last w/e. only had this 96 for 4 mounths now. and i thought it should of done better."
OK. I guess we got so wrapped up in what you SHOULDN'T do, we completely failed to address what you CAN do, and in what order to get the additional power you want...
YES, injectors WILL help - but NOT by themselves, since your EGT is already at the upper limit - I'm not sure exactly what the Banks setup amounts to for your truck, but will assume it's at least a 4 inch exhaust system all the way back - that should support some good stage II injectors - about 80 added HP - and about $500 or better in cost - to properly utilize the added injectors, you will need to increase your turbo boost up to 32 PSI or so - and I'm a bit shaky on exactly when the various power boxes apply - nor do I see the specific info listed for your truck - but something like an Edge EZ or Comp works extremely well in squeezing the last bit of HP out of the rest of the power mods on later trucks - about $500-$600 for the Edge stuff... I suspect your older truck will be more limited to boost pressure, injectors, and injector pump mods, and others will have to jump in with specific info there...
THEN, you will need a beefier clutch if you have a manual tranny (about $1000 or so), or a beefed up setup for an automatic tranny - $1500+...
There ya go - as they say, power costs $$$, how much do you want?
And THAT is why *I* am where I am with power - it tends to increase in stages - the early stages aren't TOO bad in cost, but the steps get REAL steep dollar-wise when you go up from where I currently am...
;D ;D
OK. I guess we got so wrapped up in what you SHOULDN'T do, we completely failed to address what you CAN do, and in what order to get the additional power you want...
YES, injectors WILL help - but NOT by themselves, since your EGT is already at the upper limit - I'm not sure exactly what the Banks setup amounts to for your truck, but will assume it's at least a 4 inch exhaust system all the way back - that should support some good stage II injectors - about 80 added HP - and about $500 or better in cost - to properly utilize the added injectors, you will need to increase your turbo boost up to 32 PSI or so - and I'm a bit shaky on exactly when the various power boxes apply - nor do I see the specific info listed for your truck - but something like an Edge EZ or Comp works extremely well in squeezing the last bit of HP out of the rest of the power mods on later trucks - about $500-$600 for the Edge stuff... I suspect your older truck will be more limited to boost pressure, injectors, and injector pump mods, and others will have to jump in with specific info there...
THEN, you will need a beefier clutch if you have a manual tranny (about $1000 or so), or a beefed up setup for an automatic tranny - $1500+...
There ya go - as they say, power costs $$$, how much do you want?
And THAT is why *I* am where I am with power - it tends to increase in stages - the early stages aren't TOO bad in cost, but the steps get REAL steep dollar-wise when you go up from where I currently am...
;D ;D
Re:running lean?
And THAT is why *I* am where I am with power...
<br><br>Yeah, I know you guys are shocked, but I have some other expenses I feel is more important right now. And this is why I haven't gauged yet: In stock form, this truck doesn't have enough power to damage itself unless you do something really *not so smart*. Like lugging with your foot to the floor for a long time pulling a heavy load up a hill.<br><br>But from my research into what I'm running, I should be running cooler than stock (boost elbow, MEK), and if there is a significant hill that I have to pull toting my 5'er, I run 5th at about 2,500 rpm with pedal left and lots of boost. So I know I'm not abusing it, and gauges will be coming.<br><br>So Gary's right, h.p. is just a matter of money. And I've got enough h.p. to the point my truck get's the job done very nicely. Any more money spent (except gauges) on my truck and it would be a waste of money, for me.<br><br>Remote - I think there's quite a few things you could do to your truck to make power, and not too expensive to start with. For one thing, on 12V trucks, there some kind of "wheel" or something on the P7100 injector pump that can be altered which would give you plenty of smoke ... FOR FREE. You could find out how to adjust that until you're getting some smoke. Once you're getting some smoke, if you can't tell that you're making more power, then its time to look elsewhere.<br><br>It seems to me like, turning that wheel to get more fuel, and adding a boost elbow to your turbo for more boost should give you more power, for real cheap. But I'm no 12V expert ... heck, I'm no expert at anything. I know only enough to get myself in trouble.<br><br>- JyRO
Re:running lean?
The mixture for best power is one in which there is a surplus of fuel--in other words, every oxygen molecule has an available fuel molecule to bond with. You can produce no more power than that until you introduce more oxygen. Some fuel molecules will go out the exhaust unburned.<br><br>The mixture for best economy is one in which there is a surplus of air--i.e., one in which every fuel molecule has an available oxygen molecule to bond with, so that every fuel molecule will be combusted. Many oxygen molecules will go out the exhaust unused.<br><br>I doubt if very many people have reached best power mixture in a diesel. The fact that there is smoke is not so much an issue of lack of oxygen as it is matching fuel with available oxygen, since most diesels operate at something like 35:1 at WOT. A gas engine wouldn't even run at this lean of a mixture, and this is as rich as a stock diesel ever gets.<br><br>Consider all the people who put bigger injectors on their engines and THEN dump in propane, too. The propane wouldn't do anything unless there was air available, even after the extra fuel the bigger injectors put it.<br><br>
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