Does anyone know what issues ford has been having with the 6.4 to discontinue it so quickly and moved to an in house diesel?

 

Due to the relationship with Navistar. Ford wants to stay in business so during the six point o oh thing they started working on the own engine easy to make sure everything is done right.

Thats what I have heard.

 

Sorry, but if Ford's doing it in house to make sure it's done right, they're still gonna have problems. Every Ford I've owned has fallen apart under any kind of use. Just my experience.

That said, they are the only ones who didn't take bailout money so I hope they can pull it off.

 

The 6.4 does not meet 2010 emissions regulations so it would either need a lot of work done to it or there would need to be a new engine. Ford and Navistar's relationship has been deteriorating recently in large part due to warranty claims on the 6.0. I suspect that Ford decided to do an in-house engine due to their poor relationship with Navistar and the timing was dictated by the timing of the new emissions regs.

 

Yeah, the $500 million in warranty work really P.O.'ed the folks at Ford, which is one of the reasons for the lawsuit and started the new engine build. I've seen the specs on it and it looks like they did their homework. I'd love to see it once it comes out.



Kris

 

ROFL . Ford's modifications to the 6.0 were what caused the problems . Any good diesel shop can cure the 6.0 problems but Ford never could .

 

Actually the 6.4 meets the 2010 tier emission standards. The rest of your post is spot on.

 

I just don't understand if your gonna engineer a new diesel engine why wouldn't you start with a straight six?
A V8 6.7l isnt gonna cut it. the turbo looks interesting though.
Been a couple articles in the diesel mags on it.
On another note the 6.4's are starting to put down some serious power.

 

For a few minutes, anyway . Then the Blue Oval Gremlin pulls the pin and *BANG*. Another adventure in Cab-Off-Frame-Land.

I think that's nastiest joke Ford's pulled so far; very few people are going to be able to do the head-stud and other work on these trucks when the warranties are long gone. I'm stickin' with my straight 6 where I can reach every square inch of real estate that my engine has to offer. I don't think I even need to take off my hood to remove the engine, do I?

 

This has been debated a few times and I believe that the answer involves a couple of different influences. V8 engines are much easier to package and tend to do a lot better in crash tests(the engine block is hard to get to crumple like everything else). V8's sound better to the uneducated buyer.

There has been a lot of debate over whether V8's make less torque. The way most of them are designed, they are short stroke high revving engines so they make less torque. It is not inherent to the engine architecture, it is just how they are being designed. It makes them drive much more like a gasser which makes them easier to sell to the average Joe.

Personally, I like the I6 for being a robust design that is easy to work on but I understand why the other manufacturers avoid it.

 

I would hold off passing judgment on the new Scorpion from Ford. In fact, I would not buy a new diesel until I tried it, and I never buy first run technology but will make an exception with this one.

I expect the Scorpion will set the new standard for diesel pickup truck engines.

While it is a Ford engineering team participation product, nothing in the engine, from the graphite/iron pressure block casting, or any of the machine parts have come from a Ford production line. All the components are first quality from well known performance parts suppliers, along the same line Cummins used to do before they went Chinese.

 

Well, lets all be glad that Ford wasn't smart enough to get ahold of the 5.9 before dodge did, because we would have to put up with all of the ford problems. (as if the dodge problems aren't enough ) My ULTIMATE TRUCK: Chevy body/interior, Cummins Engine, Allison OR Getrag 6 speed, Dana 60 front axle with lockouts. Oh and ditch the push-button 4WD. What's not to love?

 

...and all the Ford bigots (i.e. guinea pigs) have too. Ford doesn't have a stellar record with new diesel engine launches, going 0-2 since '03. I sure wouldn't want to be first in line.

..just like the 6-oh-no did.

Castings from Brazil and assembly in Mexico.

Don't get stung by a scorpion!

 

who told you that? Can you prove it?

 

I read the testing that they did on that engine and it is pretty amazing. Get the engine red hot on a dyno, then dump in 17 degree coolant and run it till she is red hot again, over and over. I think ford is doing the right thing and testing the product the way it should be tested and not hot rod an engine that was designed to produce 225 hp (the 6 point oh no). The 6.0 is a good engine IF you leave it at 225 hp as it is in so many delivery trucks, etc.