There are a couple of good points here. Chebbies are car like, if you want to go racing buy a Viper, Vette, Porche, etc, etc. A 6,000 truck will not eat one of these cars!! If you want to start saying yea but I can buy a box, injectors, etc-you can do the same with the cars!

 

Everything else being equal more cylinders with a given displacement will provide more potential horsepower. An extreme example would be the 6 cylinder 250cc GP bikes that Honda ran in the '60s, which eventually resulted in limits on the number of cylinders for different displacements. Other examples are the flat 12 cylinder engines in the Porsche 917s, the initial models were 5 liter as I recall. My all timefavorite engine sound is a Rolls Royce Merlin, typically heard in P51 Mustangs, which is another 12 cylinder. An oversquare bore with a short stroke reduces piston speed, which allows for higher RPM. For a truck I prefer low rpm torque and durability, which I think is best offered with an inline 6 diesel. Even Chevy seems to agree as the 8 cylinder Isuzu is only used in the lighter medium duty trucks, with the 8 liter inline 6 used in their heavier models.

 

ok guys and gals i know my 90 aint the fastest out there . i have yet to be outrun by a show room diesel pu of any kind. every thing i have done to it except intercooler i did for less than 1k. pump has never been off the truck. best time so far 1/8 mi. 9.65 still have stock injectors. closest d-max a full sec behind. remember i said SHOW ROOM pu. once you start working on the newer models they give this old man a hard time. the truck weighs in at 6569 cert. scales.

 

well my old doge just rolled 235k on it and is going strong. i just had a buddie buy a dura max, we put a 125 quad box on it. it will melt the tires down. it is very quick with the auto shifting like gangbusters. but i can kill him from 50 mph on up. and if i wasn't scared of twisting off another input i would kill him in a straight up drag race.

 

o i forgot, chevys are designed around fat old white men. not to work, and if you don't belive me just look at most of the drivers of the new one's.

 

My mom is not fat and she drives a brand new Dmax.

 

I usually try not to stereotype things, but that statement is almost all correct. I will add 18-22 year old males with daddy's money to that list. I see alot of them during deer season, and it's always old men, or young boys. No exceptions, except Big Blue's mom.

Back during deer season, I was getting feed, and a black 4 door d-max backed up beside me. The fellow had to be 55-60, and he had just had a lift put on to clear 305/70's. He asked me how much my lift cost to fit them, and I told him about $150. He **** near passed out. He had just spent $2400 on the lift, and $1100 on the installation of it.

 

It's all fun and games until the Allison gives up

Seen three of 'em around here.......

 

Correct me if I'm wrong... didnt a cummins engine set the land speed record for trucks? (little red Banks rig getting 20 mpg)
Hey, even if the duramax out runs you (which is only going to happen EMPTY!) he'll be broke down needing a tow back from the end of the quarter mile! I've owned both makes of truck, and after having the Chevy for 16 months I knew every service guy at 3 dealerships on a first name basis, GM can kiss my butt!

 

well i drove a 92 6.2 , 98 6.5 cheeby turbo the 92 had over 300,000 miles. i had bought it with 235,000 on it and rebuilt the tranny twice in less than 100,000. the 98 however i drove from brand new to 120,000 miles and although she did the job i needed her for she was starting to give me problems. and after buying my CTD i now know there is a huge difference in power and TORQUE. big deal with a chevy nice pretty ride . but that motor is only a few years old and was desgined becuse cheeby was loosing in the truck world. but without a straight axle in the front she will always be a girls truck. i would love to see one with 80,000 miles on it out pull my CTD .i will hook it up to

 

the way we talk about our engines (collectively), 210,000 ain't much to brag about. i can't even count the number of 318s, 300 6s, and 256s i've seen with 200,000 miles on them.

i'll check back in 6 years. you know what i'll find? about 50+% of the trucks listed will be 06s or newer.

don't miss my meaning here. i'm not saying the engines won't go 500k+ miles, i'm saying the vast majority of us get rid of them long before that point.

also, there's plenty of youngsters running around in late model dodges payed for with daddy's money.


jeremiah

 

Well tobacco crop pays my bills on my new MAX, and I am not fat. 5ft. 10 and solid rock. Stereotypes are nuts. HEHEHEHEHE

So when is DC going to build a crew cab?

Just kidding guys. You have to laugh or you will have high blood pressure.

 

For a truck that rides comfortably you cannot beat the Chevy & GMC's, they have a really nice product and i did like thier 2001 2002 body styling also. The tranny was a fantastic choice, they knew they couldnt do it so instead of the warranty claims against one of thier own they had Allison do it FINALLY. And the great thing about the allison, pull it apart and you can install the heavy duty series clutches ect bolt in parts. Wish DC would go that route. As to the Crew cab maybe instead of all the therories somebosdy couldchime in with the truth about why we cant get a true crew cab, i loved the quad cab design better than the 1/2 4 door, is it lack of production facilities and capacity?

Nothing wrong with the GM and youre right most guys will ditch thier trucks between 30-99k for the new model, ill be in the 150-200k when i part ways on my next one.

As an end product it is a huge step up from thier last POS 6.5's and 6.2's, i am already hearing stories of Hotshots clicking 200k with these things, intermittent injector problems on a few and R&P's are grinding themselves out... howling prematurely otherwise though the powertrain is holding up really well.

With all the Bad mouthing that goes on i have a friend who ripped on dodge and chevy for years, he finnally drove an 02 chevy and bought it, he still hasnt driven a dodge he just preaches and assumes that they are cheap, ride rough and fall apart easily especially the steering systems and they dont hold thier resale. I told him that im still buying one and that he is poorly misinformed, he replied why dont you just get a Dmax and get the ride and the interior youll be better off save yourself the head ache. How does he know? from what he hears and what he reads in the 1%er magazines and crowds it's Funny how people can be so brand supportive and so ignorant of the big picture and yet still never experience what they claim to know so much about.

Im stepping up and instead of owning a conversion im just getting a Dodge

 

It's true of any vehicle that costs a good ammount of money that there will be young people driving them on dad's money. There are also alot of old white guys driving dodges too. The point is that those are the large majority of people who drive d-max's. Look at a construction company. They've either got powerstrokes or cummins. Feed mills and feed stores, they've got powerstrokes or cummins. Most any business that hauls equipment or goods, they've either got a ford or a dodge. I've never seen a company truck that was a dmax. Execpt for maybe the owner, and he's most likely a old man.
The problem with the 318's 300's and 256's with 200,000 miles is that they're worthless for trade in or sale. Dodge cummins with 200,000 will bring top dollar. I guarentee you that if a person was looking at a cummins with 200,000 miles or a d-max with 200,000 miles, he's going to pick the cummins.

 

i dunno if i buy your youngsters-and-and-fat-old-men theory of Dmax's, but you've got a point about trade in/resale value on high mileage gas engines.

anywho, i don't really care who buys what truck for whatever reason. and i'm not making a case for PS or Dmax longevity. my only point is that we all talk about longevty, but who really has a truck with 500k miles? 400k? like i said, my 93 has only 169k and i can almost watch the pavement go by under my feet. know what i mean?


jeremiah