Got a chance to drive a slightly bombed Duramax
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like i said it takes its toll on the trans, with the right EFI Live tune you can run a little over 500, Evan Davis will do a single tune on the truck for 200 bucks and you can dyno about 500 on a LBZ. come to wilmington tomorrow and watch my friend Rob's stock tranny duramax, seems to do just fine with the big tune Evan has on it, only time it slips is in 6th with the converter locked and all the way into it.
ok so just a tune...no lift pump, no exhaust, no nothing????
That allison is slipping way before 6th, Ill bet you a million dollars. You really have no idea.
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Then he bought a 2005 Cumming and so far the only problem we had was are tranny went out but the Cummings was plowing and we added the Edge and propane and sum other things. But the thing about the Cummins was it only cost us 4500 dollars to get a fully built Goregans transmissions were just a stock Allison is like 7000 dollars. Plus he bought is Cummins for alot less then he could have bought a Dmax and it wasn't like he didnt shop cause he wanted a Dmax, and the other thing we notice was the Cummins work alot better in the cold then the Dmax. But all said and done they are both good engines just one is more industrial than the other
A Cumming
A 7000 dollar Allison
A Goregans transmission
A duramax that doesnt do well in the cold.
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Wow what a whizzing match this has thread has turned into
I drove the same said truck again last night and the more I drive it, the more I like it. The windshield seems a bit cramped though, but its fun nonetheless.
I still get a kick out of the blind Cummins guys that refuse to give the Dmax even a little credit. For the average guy I think they are a great truck. They are a little more expensive than a comparble Dodge though (not sure why though)
I drove the same said truck again last night and the more I drive it, the more I like it. The windshield seems a bit cramped though, but its fun nonetheless.
I still get a kick out of the blind Cummins guys that refuse to give the Dmax even a little credit. For the average guy I think they are a great truck. They are a little more expensive than a comparble Dodge though (not sure why though
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Thats what i heard a built Allison was costing and geogens is a guy in Iowa who really knows how to build dodge trannys. And ya are duramax hated the cold it was always in are garage and one time we left it out and we had a hard time starting it. My old mans dodge sits out side all the time and it pops right off and i live in Minnesota so i know cold. But those were are only complaints about it the duramax. And i agree with NoSparkplugs they are a good motor im not trying knocking them at all its just they are more expensive for some reason. The only difference i really see is that one motor comes from a engine manufacture who has a deep history in over the road semis and one doesn't and the one that dose not is a really good motor its smooth and quite and has plenty of power. But i don't know if the durability is as good as a Cummings
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Having both truck in question I can compare very well. I bought the new D-max, not to win bench races, but for some very simple reasons. Dodge's warranty is a complete joke and the new ones feel like piles of plastic junk ordered out of a jc whitney catalog. I've test driven everything except a powerstroke (my time is too valuable) and my conclusion was that the Allison really makes it. It's amazing that nobody thought of 6 gears in a pick up sooner. All the gears are perfectly spaced including a real low first to get loads moving. I can cruise at 70mph at 1800 RPM, put the pedal down and tear off without dropping a gear or unlocking the converter. I still roll the window down every time a cummins drives by and wish my truck sounded that cool but on a long trip the quiet starts to sound pretty cool too. My truck with a 4" straight through muffler still sounds almost stock at idle. The new engines have improved cold start performance that should rival the cummins, although I haven't experienced it yet.
Yes, you can get crazy power out of the dmax easy but tranny upgrades are critical after 90 hp past stock. However this still puts you at 450 which my ve pump 12 v would never see. Have you seen the price of allison upgrades?
Turbos are insane too.
It's nice talking to you guys again. People like to bicker and name call like little kids over at DieselPlace, but I endure it to learn stuff.
Yes, you can get crazy power out of the dmax easy but tranny upgrades are critical after 90 hp past stock. However this still puts you at 450 which my ve pump 12 v would never see. Have you seen the price of allison upgrades?
Turbos are insane too.It's nice talking to you guys again. People like to bicker and name call like little kids over at DieselPlace, but I endure it to learn stuff.
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As long as he's happy with his CumminGs than that's all that matters.
By the way, who makes the Cummings?
You can get the Allison built to hold 500-600 rwhp for under $4500......
Evan Davis has a 6 speed hand shaker, so how can that be compared to the Allison and how it will hold 500+ rwhp?
There is so much BS going on around the net and these forums.
The Duramax handles the cold just fine, if not then There wouldn't be any used in Alaska or Canada. Yet they are there. And I have seen Cummins (Sorry, no G) Powerstroke, and yes, even the Duramax on the show "Ice Road Truckers" And it is 20-55 below zero in those parts....
By the way, who makes the Cummings?
You can get the Allison built to hold 500-600 rwhp for under $4500......
Evan Davis has a 6 speed hand shaker, so how can that be compared to the Allison and how it will hold 500+ rwhp?
There is so much BS going on around the net and these forums.
The Duramax handles the cold just fine, if not then There wouldn't be any used in Alaska or Canada. Yet they are there. And I have seen Cummins (Sorry, no G) Powerstroke, and yes, even the Duramax on the show "Ice Road Truckers" And it is 20-55 below zero in those parts....
If i may add to the convo my old man had a 2004 duramax and ya it was a nice truck and we were happy with how it rode and how quite it was but after we added the edge to it are tranny started acting up and then the truck was hit and totaled. Then he bought a 2005 Cumming and so far the only problem we had was are tranny went out but the Cummings was plowing and we added the Edge and propane and sum other things. But the thing about the Cummins was it only cost us 4500 dollars to get a fully built Goregans transmissions were just a stock Allison is like 7000 dollars. Plus he bought is Cummins for alot less then he could have bought a Dmax and it wasn't like he didnt shop cause he wanted a Dmax, and the other thing we notice was the Cummins work alot better in the cold then the Dmax. But all said and done they are both good engines just one is more industrial than the other
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Thats what i heard a built Allison was costing and geogens is a guy in Iowa who really knows how to build dodge trannys. And ya are duramax hated the cold it was always in are garage and one time we left it out and we had a hard time starting it. My old mans dodge sits out side all the time and it pops right off and i live in Minnesota so i know cold. But those were are only complaints about it the duramax. And i agree with NoSparkplugs they are a good motor im not trying knocking them at all its just they are more expensive for some reason. The only difference i really see is that one motor comes from a engine manufacture who has a deep history in over the road semis and one doesn't and the one that dose not is a really good motor its smooth and quite and has plenty of power. But i don't know if the durability is as good as a Cummings
and yeah, its Cummins. no G.
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Thats what i heard a built Allison was costing and geogens is a guy in Iowa who really knows how to build dodge trannys. And ya are duramax hated the cold it was always in are garage and one time we left it out and we had a hard time starting it. My old mans dodge sits out side all the time and it pops right off and i live in Minnesota so i know cold. But those were are only complaints about it the duramax. And i agree with NoSparkplugs they are a good motor im not trying knocking them at all its just they are more expensive for some reason. The only difference i really see is that one motor comes from a engine manufacture who has a deep history in over the road semis and one doesn't and the one that dose not is a really good motor its smooth and quite and has plenty of power. But i don't know if the durability is as good as a Cummings
A built allison costing 7 grand? I hope it comes with a 3500 dollar rebate! Mine cost 2800 dollars and I built it myself. The cream of the crop top of the line suncoast stage 5 is 3500 (not installed). As for the ATS Extreme Allison, yes its 7 grand, but I dont know who would ever spend money on THAT trans. Just my oppinion on the Extreme trans. The allison is actually cheaper to build than dodge transmissions because it is strong enough that billet parts are not needed (in 97% of cases). I go to school 15 minutes south of canada. It is -20* or colder for a couple weeks of the winter. My truck is outside and has never been plugged in, starts fine. There are also 6 other duramax's on campus that dont have issues. The Ford's are terrible, and the only cummins I know of starts exactly the same as the duramax. I bet you were having fuel gelling problems, causing the truck to lose prime...
Isuzu doesnt have a history in over the road engines? Look outside the US.
yes the cummins does have a stronger bottom end and is more overbuilt, there is no denying that.
no offence, Im just joking around
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Isuzu has rich history in commercial vehicles and diesel.http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu
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i wish i couldve stirred the pot earlier on this one!! but it seems with all the outlandish claims being stated i wouldve had my hands full making fun of everything.
YZ3500F...
your cracking me up with all the horribly misspelled words and the cumming
IMO the duramax is a great motor in a really nice truck...a little soft, but thats why alot of people but them. i can tell you there is a paramedic girl that works in the same county as i do and she has an 05 duramax/ally that is really nice, but she still always takes my keys, starts my truck, and tells me how much she like it
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your cracking me up with all the horribly misspelled words and the cumming
IMO the duramax is a great motor in a really nice truck...a little soft, but thats why alot of people but them. i can tell you there is a paramedic girl that works in the same county as i do and she has an 05 duramax/ally that is really nice, but she still always takes my keys, starts my truck, and tells me how much she like it
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In my eyes, a diesel is made for work! no other engine is more proven than the cummins for this! (thats a fact) When we want them to be fast as can be no other engine will outrun the cummins! (that is a fact) When ford and chevy were trying to figure out what was going on with a diesel in a pickup in the late 80's cummins was here as the leader and not much has changed in the 5.9 since then and a has always been proven over the others. If you want a high rpm diesel that might as well be a gasser running 4500 rpms go for it, but thats not a true diesel, A true diesel is an engine puttin down 1,000 lbs torque at 2500 rpms ( duramax or powerstroke have never even seen that)
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A duramax hasn't even seen that! LOL. Do some research. FYI the duramax doesn't fuel to 4500 RPM only when engine braking is it capable of hitting 4800. That doesn't make it less of a diesel it makes it a precision machined and finely balanced diesel. What's wrong with that? Don't get me wrong I love the cummins and agree that it is on its own in the light pickup segment but the d-max is also a great engine don't knock it. Also what diesel have you seen that generates max torque at 2500 rpm? Certainly not the cummins, try 1600 and the d-max makes peak torque right there too(like a real diesel).