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Under $1.60 / Gallon
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$1.61 - $1.70 / Gallon
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19.81%
$1.71 - $1.80 / Gallon
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15.94%
over $1.80 / Gallon
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Fuel Prices in your area

Old May 12, 2004 | 11:48 PM
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Not me fella

My stuff will sit in the driveway before I fill the fat cats pockets with my hard earned money,I just found a good excuse to get a new pair of walking shoes
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Old May 13, 2004 | 12:51 AM
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I live in Los Angeles (Torrance) and it's currently close to $2.40 a gallon - way more than premium.

I don't understand.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 10:45 AM
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Here's an IDEA

I may be wrong for doing so, but I double posted here cuz admin closed the other post to get one forum only. UNDERSTANDABLE!

HERE's an IDEA.......
We know we we can't stop ALL the oil companies from gouging us. What if we were to BOYCOTT one company at a time and watch them writh in back pain from the weight of all their profits being lifted from THEIR wallets.
If the country(s) were to concentrate on one OIL COMPANY (eg. EXXON or B.P. in the States and Sunoco in Canada and boycott them for a week or two. We use the other smaller independant stations to get fuel as we need it and let the bigger companies pay the price in loss of volume. You do this enough to enough companies, they get the idea that we can manipulate things too.
Lets say we pick a date ( SEPT 10-24) and we solicate the countries to boycott a specified company on those dates. With the advent of email and websites, this idea can get around real quick.
Just a thought. I know it would work if enough got involved.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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Now that GASOLINE prices are closing in on $1.00 a litre in Canada lets do a little theoretically speaking scientific experiment.

Lets say that because of the high gas prices youv'e decided to ride your bike the ten miles to work.

It takes at least 240 carbohydrates (food) to fuel your body so you can peddle the ten miles.

Roughly 240 carbohydrates can be obtained by eating three Apples.....

Three Apples will cost you about $1.00 in a typical grocery store.

Gasoline is almost $1.00 a litre now.....

Soooooooo....... what do you do? Ride your bike or drive?
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Old May 13, 2004 | 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by AaronT
At the refinery gate, let's say barrel of crude $40.00. At the pump say $2.25 gallon. The barrel of oil has now turned into $90.00.
This analogy doesn't work until you back the fuel taxes out of it. Here in Houston, $40/bbl crude works out to $0.95/gallon. If #2 diesel is selling for $1.70/gallon, and $0.40 of that is fuel tax, then the net selling price is $1.30/gallon, and the crude oil cost to finished product price ratio is 73%.

The above isn't meant to imply that 1 gallon crude oil = 1 gallon #2 diesel. It's far more complex than that, but try this comparison with other products (such as motor oil) and see just how little the cost of crude oil impacts them in comparison with diesel fuel.

Rusty
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Old May 13, 2004 | 12:58 PM
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Re: Here's an IDEA

Originally posted by Rammer64
I may be wrong for doing so, but I double posted here cuz admin closed the other post to get one forum only. UNDERSTANDABLE!

HERE's an IDEA.......
We know we we can't stop ALL the oil companies from gouging us. What if we were to BOYCOTT one company at a time and watch them writh in back pain from the weight of all their profits being lifted from THEIR wallets.
If the country(s) were to concentrate on one OIL COMPANY (eg. EXXON or B.P. in the States and Sunoco in Canada and boycott them for a week or two. We use the other smaller independant stations to get fuel as we need it and let the bigger companies pay the price in loss of volume. You do this enough to enough companies, they get the idea that we can manipulate things too.
Lets say we pick a date ( SEPT 10-24) and we solicate the countries to boycott a specified company on those dates. With the advent of email and websites, this idea can get around real quick.
Just a thought. I know it would work if enough got involved.
Won't work. The gasoline that comes from the refinery is sold to different companies. The diesel you buy at the Exxon station probably came from a Chevron refinery. When the trucks are loading the fuel at the loading rack, an additive package in blended into the fuel, therefore making it Exxon fuel. Same thing for gasoline. The additive package is what makes the fuel different. You quit buying fuel at Exxon, it just mean the other companies will sell more. THen Exxon will just sell any surplus fuel to the other companies.

The only way to lower fuel prices is to reduce comsumption. We're useing more gasoline and diesel than ever before. There are more diesel trucks on the road now than there have ever been. People like the good fuel mileage in a big truck. That also means that diesel fuel usage is WAY up. Supply and demand dictates that the diesel fuel prices will go higher as you use more of it.

Add to that the fact that in 2 years, the fuel producers will have to lower sulfur ratings to less than 15% from the current 500%. Governement says htey have to do it, they don't tell them how though. That means the companies have to spend millions in R&D to develop the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel(ULSD). They will also have to upgrade the refineries to produce that ULSD. That will run in the hundreds of millions to do. So they are just supposed to eat these costs and not pass them on their customers?


This ULSD subject brings another problem up. Right now there are hundreds of small refineries that produce diesel fuel. These producers are not owned by a large corporation that has the means to spend millions of dollars in R&D and upgrades. Therefore, when the time comes to transisiton into the ULSD, they will simply stop producing on-road fuel and concentrate on off-road(higher sulfur) fuel. That will mean less fuel on the market, and at the current usages, you will see a big spike in diesel prices when 2006 hits.

You can't expect a company to eat a 300% increase in raw materials pricing, and a big expenditures in refinery upgrades. These companies are not in the business to loose money.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 02:01 PM
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Don't thgink they'll be having to spend money on R&D, it's already been done. ULSD has been required in Europe for years. They will have to spend money on new equiptment though and the ULS fuel will be more expendsive.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 11:31 PM
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Got some very funny fuel pics. Kinda goes well with this forum.
I'll post one pic here and the rest in my gallery.
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Old May 13, 2004 | 11:35 PM
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I got an ultra low sulphur diesel its called soy diesel or bio diesel produces income for the crop farmer too. shame more isn't going into that direction. I currently fill up with a bio-diesel blend 50/50 I believe it is currently at $1.73 a gallon, hemp also would create an excellent source of bio-diesel with thier low sulfur count. As a precaution I do my fuel filter at each oil change which is 4-5k miles
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Old May 14, 2004 | 09:20 PM
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Fuel Prices in your area

Was reading a few threads, it seems I may be one of the luckier ones.

$1.65 / Gallon for #2 diesel. As of 4:00pm 5-14-04 (Friday)
This is in Little Rock, AR

What's it like in your neck of the woods?
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Old May 14, 2004 | 09:43 PM
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I think you're aiming a little low in your poll. One station is at $1.799, the rest are around $1.90. One wants $2.09!
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Old May 14, 2004 | 10:05 PM
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IT'S 1.57 OVER HERE IN DUBLIN,GA & 1.51 IN JACKSON,GA. THAT IS WHY I RUN THE RED STUFF, 1.22 PER GALLON & I THINK MY TRUCK LIKES IT BETTER TOO.
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Old May 14, 2004 | 10:09 PM
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$2.09 ?!?!?!?! Super unleaded is $2.09 here. Time to buy an econobox, lol.
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Old May 14, 2004 | 10:54 PM
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Here in eastern Az. $2.09. Nowhere around for us any cheaper. Just my luck to buy a diesel truck and have the diesel prices skyrocket.
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Old May 14, 2004 | 11:20 PM
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$1.59 in good ol Virginia, at my usual station. Knock on wood.............knock....knock.
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