j_martin

How can you make something so simple (diesel) so complicated.(photo attached.)

Red_Angus

doesnt matter who makes it. that is a motor the dealerships want to sell. you cant fix em at home. need a supercomputer to diagnose it. looks complicated, so it must be, right? its even easier to dodge warrenty claims, when even the dealership isnt sure what's goin on.
on a side note i heard that 3/4 of the dealership mechanic for chrysler are on contract (farmed out?). this is why it is hard for dodge to honour warrenties. if the mechanic doesnt want to do the work, who will?

NE frmhnd

"has some major advantages over the Cummins to compensate for its major drawback (it’s not a Cummins!)"

OK, what is this statement about? Sure, there are some things about the newer Cummins that need fixing, namely emissions BS, but hey, it's a lot better than an Isuzu or a Powerjoke!

SOhappy

It's a poorly written sentence, I think what they meant to say was something like: "The one major drawback of the engine is that it's not a Cummins, but they have compensated in other ways...."

Allpar is very "pro-Cummins".

SpitterGuy

Has anyone seen a picture of the Cummins V6 or V8 that Chrysler almost used? I wonder if the Cummins V6 is anymore complicated than the VM V6.

NE frmhnd

I think they missed out on the v6/v8 Cummins. I bet they could have sold a bunch of them to the muscle car crowd as a crate motor.

wytesyko

Well I have a 1500 diesel in the shop.....Arrived last week for some data work, I havent taken it out on the road yet, just driven around the shop, seems very smooth, overall nice truck....

Grit Dog

Any talk of the power output/mileage?
It's funny, the big 3 were stoopid back in 08/09 to NOT release 1/2 ton diesels. Would have been the perfect time with fuel prices high. Those that did buy trucks would have gravitated towards the 1/2 tn diesels, IMO, for fuel economy, provided the upcharge wasn't too much. Full size trucks have alot of profit built into them anyway. The mfrs could have offered the diesel option as a modest upcharge (Like less than $1500 like an Eco boost, not $5-7k or whatever the charge is for HD pickups) and got people hooked on them.

To see the demand, I don't need to look any father than out in my shop right now. I bought a '94 Chevy 1500 4x4 6.5 Turbo diesel a couple months ago, not running, cheap, only needed a few minor things. I jsut put it up for sale last week. My phone is ringning off the hook for it. 2 people looked at it already and it would have been gone, but I left a few things un-done and tehy weren't mechanic types. Got a deposit from a guy 3hrs away sight unseen to come get it this weekend and a list of #'s to call if it falls thru.
You all know that the 6.5TD is no winner. It aint a trianwreck like a 6 literPS, but it's no Cummins either. Most of the calls are people interested in it specifically because it's a half ton.
Truck is in good shape body wise, but needs some work still, 200k mi on it and I'll get close to $4k for an 18year old wore out pickup.
Long live the half ton diesel!

patdaly

I don't know, the Ecoboost is running 24 MPG around here, and fuel is almost a buck a gallon cheaper. Unless the 1/2 ton trucks run close to 30 MPG I don't see them selling all that well.

Shovelhead

I agree.
Unless diesel fuel comes WAY down in price or mileage goes WAY up, there won't be much of a market for a diesel powered 1/2 ton.
Currently Unleaded gas here is $3.07 and Diesel is around $3.90.
It would take a whale of a mileage increase to make up the difference.
My 1500 Hemi gets about the same mileage empty as the new diesels.