Another Ram 1500 diesel rumor
06-03-2012, 07:23 AM
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any word on the things like MPG and towing specs?
If the towing was 8-10k..with MPGS in the 30's..not looking for 0-60 in 10secs.
I would consider selling both my current trucks and getting one..
-dkenny
If the towing was 8-10k..with MPGS in the 30's..not looking for 0-60 in 10secs.
I would consider selling both my current trucks and getting one..
-dkenny
06-03-2012, 08:50 AM
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There's no data for the trucks yet.
But I found this on the Lancia Thema (Chrysler 300) with the 240 HP diesel/5 spd auto. Will give some insite into the 240 HP engine.
Weight - 4300 lbs
0-60 mph - 7.4s
33 mpg - high side
25 mpg - average
Not bad considering my Hemi power Magnum is only a second faster from 0-60 and gets 20-22 mpg highway and 15-16 city.
MikeyB
But I found this on the Lancia Thema (Chrysler 300) with the 240 HP diesel/5 spd auto. Will give some insite into the 240 HP engine.
Weight - 4300 lbs
0-60 mph - 7.4s
33 mpg - high side
25 mpg - average
Not bad considering my Hemi power Magnum is only a second faster from 0-60 and gets 20-22 mpg highway and 15-16 city.
MikeyB
06-03-2012, 09:01 AM
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Sources tell allpar that "testing is being done offsite" which a Cummins location would definitely qualify.
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...-1500-approved
Given the cost of diesel in the U.S., and the fact that we're HEAVILY dependent on that fuel for commerce, it's going to have to do better than break even on fuel cost differential. Summer fuel MPG is going to have to be in the 20MPG AVERAGE at a minimum. If we can't get 25 MPG cruising at 70 MPH, we're just playing around with expensive toys. FTR, my 06 Liberty 2.8L I4 VM CRD gets about 25 MPG if you keep speeds below 60 and drive reasonably. Get too far out of the 1800 RPM range and you either are bogging it down or inducing pumping losses, etc.
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...-1500-approved
Given the cost of diesel in the U.S., and the fact that we're HEAVILY dependent on that fuel for commerce, it's going to have to do better than break even on fuel cost differential. Summer fuel MPG is going to have to be in the 20MPG AVERAGE at a minimum. If we can't get 25 MPG cruising at 70 MPH, we're just playing around with expensive toys. FTR, my 06 Liberty 2.8L I4 VM CRD gets about 25 MPG if you keep speeds below 60 and drive reasonably. Get too far out of the 1800 RPM range and you either are bogging it down or inducing pumping losses, etc.
06-03-2012, 09:17 AM
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IDK, maybe all those years of Daimler's bean-counter, top-down management have caused you to lower your expectations. Dodge seems to be doing pretty well, especially compared to the other two US nameplates. GM is closing a plant (-2000 jobs), ChryslerCorp is hiring, and not having extended shutdowns this summer. GM and Ford are both opting out of the next SuperBowl ad campaign. If Sergio plays his cards right, and a highly probable European market collapse doesn't ripple heavily into our economy, Chrysler could theoretically make considerable gains, both in the domestic-brand buyer market, and in the import buyer market as well. That's assuming they continue on track with the improved products and quality control they've made great strides on in the last couple of years since Fiat took the reigns.
06-06-2012, 08:02 PM
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If we can't get 25 MPG cruising at 70 MPH
A pickup won't. But the drivetrain is second to aerodynamics anyway.
Above 20-mpg at 60-mph is good . . above 22-mpg is better.
25-mpg below 60 is more likely.
(This is about long-term average, not the occasional high/low tank).
Now, how well it can tow an up-to 7k/lb travel trailer at 60-mph on level terrain at what average mpg is the real question.
The average with my truck & 34' TT was right at 15-mpg (at 63-mph). Would be just above 16-mpg had I slowed down to my now usual 58-mph on the road.
This "new" truck idea needs to match those kind of numbers (all other items about the same, including a truly aero TT like an Airstream).
But I sure don't think it will be a 10,000-hour engine. That's the real kicker.
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A pickup won't. But the drivetrain is second to aerodynamics anyway.
Above 20-mpg at 60-mph is good . . above 22-mpg is better.
25-mpg below 60 is more likely.
(This is about long-term average, not the occasional high/low tank).
Now, how well it can tow an up-to 7k/lb travel trailer at 60-mph on level terrain at what average mpg is the real question.
The average with my truck & 34' TT was right at 15-mpg (at 63-mph). Would be just above 16-mpg had I slowed down to my now usual 58-mph on the road.
This "new" truck idea needs to match those kind of numbers (all other items about the same, including a truly aero TT like an Airstream).
But I sure don't think it will be a 10,000-hour engine. That's the real kicker.
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06-06-2012, 11:39 PM
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If we can't get 25 MPG cruising at 70 MPH
A pickup won't. But the drivetrain is second to aerodynamics anyway.
Above 20-mpg at 60-mph is good . . above 22-mpg is better.
25-mpg below 60 is more likely.
(This is about long-term average, not the occasional high/low tank).
Now, how well it can tow an up-to 7k/lb travel trailer at 60-mph on level terrain at what average mpg is the real question.
The average with my truck & 34' TT was right at 15-mpg (at 63-mph). Would be just above 16-mpg had I slowed down to my now usual 58-mph on the road.
This "new" truck idea needs to match those kind of numbers (all other items about the same, including a truly aero TT like an Airstream).
But I sure don't think it will be a 10,000-hour engine. That's the real kicker.
.
A pickup won't. But the drivetrain is second to aerodynamics anyway.
Above 20-mpg at 60-mph is good . . above 22-mpg is better.
25-mpg below 60 is more likely.
(This is about long-term average, not the occasional high/low tank).
Now, how well it can tow an up-to 7k/lb travel trailer at 60-mph on level terrain at what average mpg is the real question.
The average with my truck & 34' TT was right at 15-mpg (at 63-mph). Would be just above 16-mpg had I slowed down to my now usual 58-mph on the road.
This "new" truck idea needs to match those kind of numbers (all other items about the same, including a truly aero TT like an Airstream).
But I sure don't think it will be a 10,000-hour engine. That's the real kicker.
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I am sure smart Engineers could figure out how to get similar mileage with a 1/2 ton if they wanted to.
06-08-2012, 08:11 PM
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Yea the jeep launches this fall, we already have one in our department now, the 1500 is slated for next year. Now if they could get the Wranglers running with the 2.8l diesel like in Europe and the Middle East that would be excellent.
06-09-2012, 10:37 AM
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