diesel hits $5.00 a gallon!!!!!!!!
06-02-2008, 10:26 AM
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Yes you are right on-more biodiesel infrastructure is the answer.The louder we yell,the more will get done.I have been trying to motivate people into action. Once the current marinated-in-oil- administration is shown the door,we should see some progress.But only if the public is fired up.Let's get fired up. WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE these are only baby steps to wean us off big oil,and there are many things we can do right now
06-02-2008, 11:04 AM
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Until we start to make ethanol out of something other then corn we are not doing all we can to break away from OPEC. Now if they could get the same amount of ethanol out of corn that they can from switch grass then that would be a different story but they can't so making it from corn is not all that smart.
You say if the farmer is using Bio, that is a very big if and I have yet to meet one that does use Bio in there tractors or combine. Heck I know farmers who will not use E-85 as its not cost effective to use. So if its not cost effective for the farmer to use in his own car or pickup then how can it be cost effective for anyone else to use? All the farmer cares about is getting more $$ for their crop, plant an harvesting the crop an doing so as cheap as they can.
You may not think water is important but then you don't live near a plant that consumes all most 1 million gallons of it everyday. Who's pays for some small town that is with in a mile of an ethanol plant to sink there wells deeper so that it can keep suppling the necessary water to the towns people year round?
You say if the farmer is using Bio, that is a very big if and I have yet to meet one that does use Bio in there tractors or combine. Heck I know farmers who will not use E-85 as its not cost effective to use. So if its not cost effective for the farmer to use in his own car or pickup then how can it be cost effective for anyone else to use? All the farmer cares about is getting more $$ for their crop, plant an harvesting the crop an doing so as cheap as they can.
You may not think water is important but then you don't live near a plant that consumes all most 1 million gallons of it everyday. Who's pays for some small town that is with in a mile of an ethanol plant to sink there wells deeper so that it can keep suppling the necessary water to the towns people year round?
06-02-2008, 12:04 PM
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Ah the post office... a gov. agency...more crap info... We have to start somewhere-Where is the outrage and American ingenuity? I like this board because it's made up of smart people who think out of the box...A bunch of thinking hot rodders who can make anything work. E85,despite it's gov. sponsored teething problems,is an solution here and now,to cut big oil off,or at least step on their toes.Everybody wants to whine about big oil,but if you give them solutions they whine somemore,and then tell you why it won't work.You guys are dissappointing me...As for the tired argument that it takes 3 gals. of dino fuel to to make 1 gal. of ethanol,this assumes the farmer and trucker have not yet converted to biodiesel. once they have,the door is closed on big oil for good.Think about it. See my other posts.As for water,that will be the next ''engineered'' crisis.So they can drive up the price of that too.It's time for us to outthink them.See my other posts
06-03-2008, 10:05 AM
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Until we start to make ethanol out of something other then corn we are not doing all we can to break away from OPEC. Now if they could get the same amount of ethanol out of corn that they can from switch grass then that would be a different story but they can't so making it from corn is not all that smart.
You say if the farmer is using Bio, that is a very big if and I have yet to meet one that does use Bio in there tractors or combine. Heck I know farmers who will not use E-85 as its not cost effective to use. So if its not cost effective for the farmer to use in his own car or pickup then how can it be cost effective for anyone else to use? All the farmer cares about is getting more $$ for their crop, plant an harvesting the crop an doing so as cheap as they can.
You may not think water is important but then you don't live near a plant that consumes all most 1 million gallons of it everyday. Who's pays for some small town that is with in a mile of an ethanol plant to sink there wells deeper so that it can keep suppling the necessary water to the towns people year round?
You say if the farmer is using Bio, that is a very big if and I have yet to meet one that does use Bio in there tractors or combine. Heck I know farmers who will not use E-85 as its not cost effective to use. So if its not cost effective for the farmer to use in his own car or pickup then how can it be cost effective for anyone else to use? All the farmer cares about is getting more $$ for their crop, plant an harvesting the crop an doing so as cheap as they can.
You may not think water is important but then you don't live near a plant that consumes all most 1 million gallons of it everyday. Who's pays for some small town that is with in a mile of an ethanol plant to sink there wells deeper so that it can keep suppling the necessary water to the towns people year round?
06-03-2008, 10:20 AM
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what about the millions of gallons of fuel it takes to truck ethanol EVERYWHERE it needs to go? ethanol cannot be sent through existing pipelines, so it's basically like borrowing from peter, to pay paul- save some dino by using ethanol, but use even more dino to transport it.
We can use out own brains to defeat them.I only want to hear solutions to the teething problems no more regurgitated ''why it wont work stories'' everytime i hear one i know the oil co. propaganda has gotten to that person and they are just repeating what they have read,heard,etc.I am only posting what I know to be true,I have spent two years of my money,and basically done the impossible.I have heard plenty of ''that won't work'' durning my research,and proved it not only worked,but was superior.It's everybody's patriotic duty to screw the oil co's back and re-take our country.
06-03-2008, 10:28 AM
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I noticed diablosport is making an e-85 tuner,designed for trucks on e-85,they claim mileage and power gains,and i don't doubt it.Any car i was able to simply advance the timing(spark)with E-85 showed this.Last time i checked,water was recyclable.The point I am trying to make here is there is an oil industry conspiricy here,giving every reason why it won't work.They need to kill off ethanol before we use it to kill them.We can do it.
06-03-2008, 11:11 AM
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My thing is by using corn we get very little return for all it takes to make ethanol and why we should of changed over to something else long ago. Now we have the big farms pushing us to use corn to make ethanol and soon they will be just as like the the oil companies wanting more $$$.
I say we need to stop paying 51 cents per gallon credit for ethanol and all of the tax breaks we give the oil companies every day. I also hate to see people being forced to use Ethanol gas when a lot of cars on the road today get lower mpg when using Ethanol mixed gas.
I say we need to stop paying 51 cents per gallon credit for ethanol and all of the tax breaks we give the oil companies every day. I also hate to see people being forced to use Ethanol gas when a lot of cars on the road today get lower mpg when using Ethanol mixed gas.
06-03-2008, 11:37 AM
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My thing is by using corn we get very little return for all it takes to make ethanol and why we should of changed over to something else long ago. Now we have the big farms pushing us to use corn to make ethanol and soon they will be just as like the the oil companies wanting more $$$.
I say we need to stop paying 51 cents per gallon credit for ethanol and all of the tax breaks we give the oil companies every day. I also hate to see people being forced to use Ethanol gas when a lot of cars on the road today get lower mpg when using Ethanol mixed gas.
I say we need to stop paying 51 cents per gallon credit for ethanol and all of the tax breaks we give the oil companies every day. I also hate to see people being forced to use Ethanol gas when a lot of cars on the road today get lower mpg when using Ethanol mixed gas.
06-03-2008, 03:02 PM
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absolutely! we are already paying billions in subsidies for ethanol (as well as to the oil companies), and the longer you live, the more you find out that once an industry starts getting subsidies, they never give them up, no matter how profitable that industry becomes.
06-05-2008, 09:59 AM
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They might do some thing about the oil tax credits after the Nov election but if the farm bill gets passed before Nov then no one will do a thing about the ethanol tax credits as IIRC the farm bill last for 5-6 years.
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