Add hydrogen for better mpg
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Ok make a cell anyway you want and put it on a gas powerd vehicle. The ones that I've had the most success with are 3.8v6 motors. Consistantly saw 15% improvements on those motors.
Like I stated before each motor and vehicle is going to react differently.
Like I stated before each motor and vehicle is going to react differently.
But in reality, what do you care? It doesn't matter how much data someone gets showing it works, you and all the others are not going to believe it works anyway. You've already come to that conclusion and nothing is going to change your opinion, so why waste your time in this thread???
Please, still looking for the thousands of threads of users that got taken on these systems. (echo.....)
No, the reason it's not on every car is because it needs to be maintained. Unfortunately, cars have to be built for the lowest common denominator and the risk of vehicle damage due to idiots is just too high. It's hard enough to get people to add gas and oil to the dam thing, let alone give them a hydrogen cell that needs maintained.
But in reality, what do you care? It doesn't matter how much data someone gets showing it works, you and all the others are not going to believe it works anyway. You've already come to that conclusion and nothing is going to change your opinion, so why waste your time in this thread???
Please, still looking for the thousands of threads of users that got taken on these systems. (echo.....)
But in reality, what do you care? It doesn't matter how much data someone gets showing it works, you and all the others are not going to believe it works anyway. You've already come to that conclusion and nothing is going to change your opinion, so why waste your time in this thread???
Please, still looking for the thousands of threads of users that got taken on these systems. (echo.....)
sounds like hes the one to ask if it works or not, hes actually runs the system
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Thank you morpheus and jesussaves. Maintenance is required. It seems that all the media talk about hydrogen is running a vehicle only on hydrogen not adding the hydrogen like I'm talking about. Lack of knowledge is a huge factor for masses useing it. You can blow up a cell and I suppose if it was in the right place it might hurt a person or cause the vehicle to catch fire. With the constant opposition to the hydrogen cell it will continue to be inventors that will be the ones useing them. No I don't expect the ones that can't/don't believe it can work will ever build their own cell and find out, but they will still be here harassing those that do want information on how and what they need to get going on their hydrogen invention.
Tree - the vast majority of the world has no clue how a carburetor or a fuel injector works but they know that it works. It works because engineers did research and developed the technology for the average Joe to use. If this worked as you advertised in your small scale application don't you think it would be mass marketed in such a way that everyone could use it? I fully understand you want to say that the HHO system is providing some homeopathic type of results. The problem is there is no magic to this, it is just another hydrogen component for oxidation and the resultant heat release. It does not change the burn characteristics of diesel fuel.
Produce enough HHO to work as a replacement then you have something, as it is, it is just smoke and mirrors.
Produce enough HHO to work as a replacement then you have something, as it is, it is just smoke and mirrors.
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Still won't quit harassing us will you. Can't you come up with something new, like I built one and it blew my head off and now I know it works. If it doesn't change the burn characteristics then why are the emissions changed?
I think most if not all the people who have or are reading this thread have seen/heard your opinion, I hope that makes you feel better.
Everone could use a hydrogen cell, given time and engineering it will be.
I think most if not all the people who have or are reading this thread have seen/heard your opinion, I hope that makes you feel better.
Everone could use a hydrogen cell, given time and engineering it will be.
Can't you come up with something new, like I built one and it blew my head off and now I know it works. If it doesn't change the burn characteristics then why are the emissions changed?
I think most if not all the people who have or are reading this thread have seen/heard your opinion, I hope that makes you feel better.
Everone could use a hydrogen cell, given time and engineering it will be.
I think most if not all the people who have or are reading this thread have seen/heard your opinion, I hope that makes you feel better.
Everone could use a hydrogen cell, given time and engineering it will be.
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Yes you are entitled to your opinion Camp and Ann. Yes electric cars were around before gas was big in cars and now electric cars are comeing back around. Yes lots of things have been around like the vapor carb they used in war but they haven't mass produced it either. The ones that have really pursued enginering the hydrogen cell have had problems. If some major $ would get involved it probably wouldn't take very long.
I need to come up with something new, what more tests to prove it works. What do you have to come up with another post that you say it doesn't work.
I haven't heard a response yet Camp. If it doesn't change the way diesel burns then why do the emissions change.
I've built a cell and have seen the results, so what can you say that will prove it to me that it doesn't work when you ADD hydrogen. You Ann/Camp haven't done anything other than state over and over and over that it can't work. Your opinion is getting old.
I need to come up with something new, what more tests to prove it works. What do you have to come up with another post that you say it doesn't work.
I haven't heard a response yet Camp. If it doesn't change the way diesel burns then why do the emissions change.
I've built a cell and have seen the results, so what can you say that will prove it to me that it doesn't work when you ADD hydrogen. You Ann/Camp haven't done anything other than state over and over and over that it can't work. Your opinion is getting old.
Ssssiiiiiggggghhhhh, maintenance is not the issue. There are plenty of fleet operations that would have no problem maintaining any viable system. The military would love to save the kind of gains quoted here. Industrial users would love to have this work. All of them have staff that do only one thing and that is make sure the maintenance is done. The problem is it does not produce the gains promised. Last but not least the ones that have gotten taken don't want to admit it or just don't want to believe it or they are smaart enough not to get taken in the first place.
You got to be kidding? Right? Someone taken and don't want to admit it? Let's say the cost for one is $500. Now let's say instead of a Hydrogen setup it's a Smarty. If I just spent $500 for a smarty and it didn't deliver, I'd sure as crap, be on every forum from here to the moon telling everyone what a crap product it is. And I wouldn't be alone.
Again, please, I'm still waiting on a list of threads, blogs, websites, tweets, whatever, where all these people that have been "taken", are voicing their displeasure with the systems.
Tree - Tell me how you think the emissions change and I will then have a basis to respond.
Morpheus - Your position is not supportable if it is only based on the lack of "I got taken" threads. Now if any of the car manufactures put it on a vehicle and charged a premium for it and it did not result in what was forecast or resulted in trips to the dealer to clear a cel then you would see the threads. The fact that it is only a fringe group that are currently playing with this means that there will be minimal negative responses from actual users.
I post here not to harass but to voice a balanced response to what is often outlandish claims. Who does it benifit to hear only your side?
Morpheus - Your position is not supportable if it is only based on the lack of "I got taken" threads. Now if any of the car manufactures put it on a vehicle and charged a premium for it and it did not result in what was forecast or resulted in trips to the dealer to clear a cel then you would see the threads. The fact that it is only a fringe group that are currently playing with this means that there will be minimal negative responses from actual users.
I post here not to harass but to voice a balanced response to what is often outlandish claims. Who does it benifit to hear only your side?
She drops a comment, "...been around for 30 + years that I know of......hasn't caught on yet.....wonder why?"
Have to do with HHO? Nothing. I was poking fun at her reasoning. The electric car has been around since the 1800's yet it still hasn't caught on yet. Must be junk science.
Have to do with HHO? Nothing. I was poking fun at her reasoning. The electric car has been around since the 1800's yet it still hasn't caught on yet. Must be junk science.
Morpheus - Your position is not supportable if it is only based on the lack of "I got taken" threads. Now if any of the car manufactures put it on a vehicle and charged a premium for it and it did not result in what was forecast or resulted in trips to the dealer to clear a cel then you would see the threads. The fact that it is only a fringe group that are currently playing with this means that there will be minimal negative responses from actual users.
You say this:
And in the next sentence say this???:
Seriously? You're saying the same dam thing I said. You're charged a premium for the thing and it doesn't deliver. Somehow, the Mfg putting it on makes it SO much different that the hords of people would then complain? Sure.


