Hey guys,

Could I use something like this for my truck? Or is it too small? It's cheap and the seller has 100% positive feedback.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hydro...61517393QQrdZ1

 

I've seen something like that on a web site. I can't be sure but 250 or so seems like what they were selling for. The one your looking at could be a reproduction.
As far as it working if it's set up right it should. You don't need a large volume of Hydrogen to get the results of 2-3mpg gains. I like my unit because it's clear plastic and I can easily see if it's working or not. With a unit like the one your looking at you would have to put the end of the tube into a container of water and see if it's bubbling to be sure it's working.
Tree DR

 

I'm still surprise how few people are using this to improve MPG as well as emissions.
Tree DR

 

haven't read all the posts but, from my understanding these units are marginal with typical car motors, ie. larger cid. my hybrid has a 997cc 3 cyl in it. so in theory, this system would do well in this app. yes, no.? [ as if getting up to 87mpg isn't enough ]

 

Well after six months all this system has given me is a lot of work to do, rusty water & a $399 door stop. Adding hydrogen into the intake pre turbo will not work on CTD. They now say to add it post turbo by tapping in a y in the intercooler output & intake horn pressurizing the hydrogen vessel but at the same time sucking hydrogen into the system due to the venturi effect. They have come out with a new model with Pulse width modulator box to help the heat problem. Melted the first one I tried to run at 25 amps which was the spec at the time. Nice enough to give me a 2nd one curtesy of their free replacement warranty,(which they have since modified). All and all wait till some reputuable design/production operation perfects a model for Turbo equipped diesel pickups. If in doubt, take a look at a few of their videos complete with junk cars, milk jugs & colored water.

 

I suspect that is because a) a lot of people, like me, do not believe it works, and b) because if a person is going to do this right (which I try not to do anything wrong), the pay back on it is too long, if it even did work. I'm not saying adding Hydrogen doesn't work. But I'm saying adding Hydrogen in the microscopic quantities that you guys are adding it (compared to the volume of air and diesel fuel being used) that the overall effect is negligible.

My guess is that most of you guys who have bothered to install this, start driving like granny with an egg under the throttle pedal, and all of your mpg gains are due to that fact.

Look, I can get up to 21 mpg with my 7,130 lb. 4X4 truck, I might even eek out 22 using summer fuel and 70 mph interstate cruising. That is awesome fuel mileage in my opinion. I can do that without the complexity of this system giving me a "theoretical" 0.25 mpg. I'll stick with simplicity until I personally see/read anything that is convincing.

Don't read this as an attack ... it's not. It's just how I feel about this, and I apologize in advance if it offends.

- JyRO

 

I agree with JyRo completely.

 

To each his own. Yes there are problems with any type of equipment. With all the studys out there and some with personal results. My guess is some have not gotten the hydrogen to the motor or your not making any to start with. The biggest problems I've ran into is no production and not getting to the motor.
The hydrogen can get to the motor through the turbo. As far as the amount of hydrogen, you can't believe how little it takes to get the improved mpg. But like I've said before, if you have advanced your timing as much as possible allready then add hydrogen it's like setting your timing ahead to far.
Tree DR

 

Just picked up the 05 today. I'll run a few tank of diesel through it to get a base line. Then put the hydrogen on.
Tree DR

 

yes please keep us posted, I'm debating on getting one for my hybrid

 

It will work on any combustion engin. Results will vary depending on how the motor is set up. For instance on my 04 Dodge when I turned on the edge my hydrogen no longer did anything for mpg. I've also found that to much hydrogen will actually reduce mpg. It takes so little hydrogen enven on a 12 litter semi motor that you can see a 1/2 mpg improvment with one of these.

 

Hi all!

This is my first post and I have read several of the posts, and may be behind the curve, but there are a few items I noticed that I felt needed commenting on, if I am way behind the curve I appologize.

1. Hydrogen corrosiveness... it is called hydrogen embrittlement not corrosiveness. It is basically the process whereby iron and steel absorb hydrogen atoms and become very brittle over time or in high concentrations.

2. Tree Dr. - you mentioned that in your system you used multiple + electrodes and a single - Electrode... if this is true then you are actually producing primarily Oxygen, not Hydrogen as Hydro is produced at the - electrode and Oxy at the +. This is also explaining the increase of the MPG you are experienceing even at the low levels of production because it is not the air drawn into the engine that is burned but the Oxy content of that volume of air. Increased production onboard will displace external air as mentioned with a more pure Oxy source thus increasinng combustion in the cylinders, yielding more MPG.

3. Increasing the air intake is not what you need to be doing, but rather reducing the petrol based fuel injected in addition to the Hydro. In ot words lean out the liquid fuel to balance the increased gasious fuel and correct the flooding problem you mentioned.

4. Please put on your tin foil cap. There are alot of people who like to declare impossibilities based upon rumors they heard or read where someone said it was impossible... to all of you I say this: Read my signature. There are entirely too many people DOING this for it to be a farce. The fact is that 99% of those saying that it cannot work stand to lose their careers and thus ALL their financial sources if they do not "tow the line" with their leaders points of view... which is defined by thos higher ups who would lose untold $$$Billions if this technology were commonly in use... thus they all fail to qualify as a disinterested 3rd party. Thus they are biased against this and must do all they can to control those who would upset their wagon. SO OF COURSE IF YOU ASK THEM THEY WILL SAY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!

The FACT is, that there is a very simple method of solving ALL the problems they tout. But there would be no place to install a meter for the purpose of controling the fuel source and thus profiting from it.

Ok you can remove your tin foil cap.

Smurf

The man with an experience is never at the mercy of the man with an oppinion. Put up or shut up.

 

Yes most of what you said has been discussed and yes oxygen goes to the positive + and hydrogen - with multiple electrodes on both + and -. There is so little hydrogen going in that embrittlement is a non issue, as well as normal air flow displacement. Yes the studies show that a very small amount of hydrogen will improve combustion. Yes leaning out and timeing are a very improtant issue. I haven't found a way to lean out the engin of retard the timeing yet. I think that the amount may be more critical than most suspect. Yesssss someone profiting is a major reason why things don't change.

 

Sounds to me like you have political issues that you are not able to cope with wherever it is that you work.

I'm not biased against doing anything to increase mpg. I just don't think these Hydrogen producing home-made systems discussed here are worth the trouble. Saying, "it only takes a little Hydrogen to realize mpg gains," is about as vague as a statement can be.

Exactly how little is enough? How could these home-made systems ever quantify that their meeting the amount needed to yield results? Has anyone here ever exactly quantified how much Hydrogen they are producing? Maybe Tree Dr. has ... I don't remember.

I work in an automotive environment where when we are considering making a move, we take it to the test track to try and validate it. A test track reduces variabilities ... but yet there are still plenty of variables in play.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying adding Hydrogen won't work. And I don't remember the exact numbers, but for example if someone tells me that they added Hydrogen and their m.p.g. increased from 20.1 mpg to 20.3 mpg, I tend to call their results "noise." Meaning graphic noise. Meaning that 0.2 mpg gain could have been a result of any one of several other variables, or a combination of several other variables. I would call anything up to ~2 mpg noise. If the gains are ~2 mpg or better, then IMO we start getting into a realm where a gain in mpg is more scientifically distinguishable to 1 particular variable.

I respect Tree Dr's efforts. That's why I continue to watch this thread. And I watch it eagerly. But I don't care for comments from newbies that try to "profile" all those that do not agree with their opinion into 1 group, all because of said person's inability to cope with conflict and/or disagreement.

 

Lets see if we can avoid the name calling , it gets in the way of evolution ,
Others can not pull your chain if your not hanging onto it .
I just found this to day , and catching up , wanting to link this as to keep watch.
Thanks John