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big torque motor or not?

Old Mar 20, 2012 | 02:40 PM
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big torque motor or not?

I have a 2011 3500 manual tranny and how do I know whether or not I have the HO motor?

Is it based on the vin?
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Old Mar 20, 2012 | 03:25 PM
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You dont. HO only comes with auto.
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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 07:37 PM
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Get a clutch and a H&S and laugh at the formely HO guys that are now pretty much low output....


Torque management is the enemy.
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Old Mar 21, 2012 | 08:46 PM
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Well said Blake.
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 09:58 PM
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Dumb Question

What is obvious to you is not to me, so I have to ask: why is the manual transmission truck rated at a lower torque ?
Thanks. wormshoe
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by wormshoe
What is obvious to you is not to me, so I have to ask: why is the manual transmission truck rated at a lower torque ?
Thanks. wormshoe
clutch problems in the stock form in my opinion
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 07:20 AM
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The de-tune is totally clutch related. The put the dual mass, sissified clutch in so Joe Consumer who should be driving an automatic can get the stick and think it drives like a car. Even if you take it easy in stock form the clutch will eventually toast itself anyways, well be for it should.

That's why Southbend and Valair double and triple disk clutches are so popular, because they will take the power. However, they will chatter when sitting out of gear and they shift like a truck, which would scare Joe Consumer.
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NCPADiesel
The de-tune is totally clutch related. The put the dual mass, sissified clutch in so Joe Consumer who should be driving an automatic can get the stick and think it drives like a car. Even if you take it easy in stock form the clutch will eventually toast itself anyways, well be for it should.

That's why Southbend and Valair double and triple disk clutches are so popular, because they will take the power. However, they will chatter when sitting out of gear and they shift like a truck, which would scare Joe Consumer.
^^^ That about sums it up, for some reason Dodge doesen't realize that people who buy a manual just want durability, they don't care if the clutch is a little heavy. They just want simplicity and reliability.

I went with a auto and 4.10 gears, but I will say it is not as good as a manual for pulling.
What really sucks about the manual is the clutch comes with a 12,000 mile warranty And it is designed to fail But the good news is Ram has been testing a new manual transmission, and I know it is being tested at more then 800 tq
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 09:20 AM
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Yes for years we (Chrysler) have been trying to fing the happy medium between function and capacity. The reason is pretty much stated above, they dont want some people to have to stand on the clutch pedal to get it to move. I have been very angry for a few years because I have to change them after people burn them up... We went through the exact same thing while testing the clutch in the manual diesel jk and mk.
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 01:15 PM
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Joe Consumer sure is a nice guy though...

He spends money on new trucks!!

lol
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 08:47 PM
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Thank you.....

You guys are great for telling it like it is. The truth isn't always pretty, but it always works for me. It looks like there's a terrible matchup between a great engine and a sub-standard clutch assembly. Thank you for jumping on this with both feet. I appreciate the information and I hope that it helps others as well.
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 08:50 PM
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Im your not your average Joe Consumer, and yes I have a SBDD3250. Its noisy, it rattles, its a bit grabby at times.


But boy oh boy does it hold!
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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Blake Clark
Get a clutch and a H&S and laugh at the formely HO guys that are now pretty much low output....


Torque management is the enemy.
I really like our 07 g56, but I sure wouldnt go looking for an HO that has the same mods you mention. Since I drive both alot, I know who will be laughing...
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