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Old 02-28-2014, 12:50 PM   #1  
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5500 towing a Kaufman max 6 trailer....

I saw that set up yesterday here in Las Vegas. It caught my attention because I just ordered a 5500, and have been researching the mini 5 Kaufman trailer. I know for a fact that the max trailer capacity for the 5500 is 29600 lbs. The gross combined is only 37500 pounds. The GVW of that particular model trailer is 48000 pounds. So of course, my immediate thought was how is this guy operating legally and safely? Unless there's something I don't know, there's no way he can be. Any thoughts?
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:28 PM   #2  
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Although the trailer can handle a max weight of 48000# he is still limited to his trucks capacities leagally.
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:07 AM   #3  
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Funny thing, I ran into the guy. Says he's registered at 54,999; that's to avoid the heavy use hwy tax. So he knows at least that much about commercial carrier regs. No license plate, DOT, MC, or IFTA labels on the 5500. Plus he's got a quad cab w a 84" ca, which has even less trailer towing capacity than a regular cab w a 60" ca. Plus he's out of California, so how he made it past the scales is beyond me. Not to mention how he's insured commercially when if he actually was loaded to his registered capacity, he'd be overweight by 17,499 lbs...
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What does the truck weigh? My 2500 is 7,2000 so lets up that to 9,000# for 6.7 and we don't know what he carries.

What does the trailer weigh EMPTY? Web site says less than 9,000# empty.
5500 max GCWR is 37500. Subtract 9,000# for truck = 28,500 then subtract 9,000# for trailer = 19,500# he can put on the trailer. 5 x 3,000# average per car = 15,000# That leaves a little wiggle room for throwing an SUV or truck on the trailer too. I see Dodge 3500 w/ similar 5 car trailers at work all the time. I work at the Port of Jacksonville where we send a lot of cars overseas.

5500 max trailer is 29,000? Subtract 9,000# for empty trailer = 20,000# of cars he can haul - but that puts him over on the GCWR. So his limiting factor is his GCWR.

Just because that trailer can MAX out at 48,000# doesn't mean he CAN load it to the MAXIMUM towing it with a 5500. 48,000# minus the 9,000# trailer empty weight = 39,000 the trailer could carry, BUT he would need a BIGGER truck to take advantage of the trailers MGWR. Just means for him, the trailer can haul longer lighter vehicles. Maybe he delivers empty cargo trailers? IDK? He just bought a trailer that CAN haul more than his truck.

As far as registering at 54,999# - that may be the closest registration point for his capacities he tows to not go over ever. What is the next point for registration? I bet it is the 26,000 or 25,999# that some states require for CDL licenses. He could go over that with his setup and be within his GCWR.

It is all a numbers GAME.
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Old 03-01-2014, 04:10 PM   #5  
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Base weight for that model RAM is 8330 pounds. Regardless, the guy is so illegal that I'm surprised he's even on the road more than a day without catching the attention of Highway Patrol or the DOT. Hopefully, we don't see him on the news or YouTube after spilling 6 cars on the i15 perhaps killing some people in the process.
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My mistake, base weight for that model is 8523 pounds.
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How is he illegal?

Base weight is only a starting point - I upped it to 9,000# already.

Add to that 9,000# for empty trailer - Web site says UNDER 9,000# He may have tools and chains/straps.

So now he is 18,000#

GCWR = Gross Combined weight of EVERYTHING!
37,500# minus the truck and trailer weight of 18,000# = 19,500# of weight LEFT for cars, trucks, or SUVs. Divided by 6 is an average weight of 3,250#. I thought it was a 5 car trailer? 19,500#/5 cars = 3,900# average per car. Small cars weigh less than that. Remember - cars should be shipped with less than 1/8 tank of fuel to help prevent fuel spills in the event of an accident.

We use 3,000# average weight per auto going on ships overseas (1.5ton each). 4,000# average (2tons) per SUV and 5,000# average per truck (2.5ton). So, with 6 small cars x 3,000 average weight = 18,000#. He is still under his max GCWR by 1,500 lbs.
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according to the NHP inspector I just spoke with, he's illegal due to several factors, many of which I've already stated as far as no signage, etc. not to mention he is incorrectly registered at a gross combined weight that far exceeds the manufacturers limitations. Anyone who has hauled commercially knows they are going to make more money the more they haul, so it's a pretty safe bet that he's not going to stay at 6 small cars to stay under the 37500 pound capacity of his vehicle. otherwise, what is the point of having a 6 car trailer and registering your vehicle at 54999?
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Your first post doesn't mention signage - not my field of experience.

I was just pointing out he CAN haul without going over his GCWR and towing capacity. If he hauls bigger vehicles, they take up more room and thereby can haul fewer at a time. Still within weight limits of the truck. THAT IS WHAT YOUR FIRST POST WAS ABOUT.
As far as being illegal about the other stuff, I get the sense you are too worried about him.
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I was actually hoping it was legal and safe. That way, I could set myself up in the same way. I'll just stick with a 5 car trailer, and not have to stress everyday about being inspected.
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Where I am in California, a Hauler down the street is running 3 Rigs just like that with 5500's and the Max 6. Some how I was under the impression that all that scales really look at are axle weights? I might be wrong since i am not in the hauling business. Just my 2 cents
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Where I am in California, a Hauler down the street is running 3 Rigs just like that with 5500's and the Max 6. Some how I was under the impression that all that scales really look at are axle weights? I might be wrong since i am not in the hauling business. Just my 2 cents
Axle weights and registered vs gross weight.
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Im not sure what 5500 he has, but my 5500 4wd crew cab, 60" cab to axle, weighed in at 8910lbs with zero bed on the back. I have the auto
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