This maybe something new to me....I have been changing my settings to see what works best for me. After I change the settings, it says "writing to memory". I thought that at that point the settings were already changed.
Are you guys saying otherwise? What else do I need to do to get the setting changes into the truck?

 

The way you described the differences is what I thought the only difference between 5.08 and 5.09 is supposed to be but on my truck with 5.09 I need to push the pedal alot more to get the truck going. I mostly run SW level 2 and I always run TM4 ( with the trial and error that I have done, my truck has always liked the highest timing level so now I just leave it on 4). I have tried the different TQ settings on both 5.08 and 5.09, the way my truck reacts to them in 5.08 is just like how everyone describes it, 2 being mild and 3,4 being much stronger low end but on 5.09 you can change it between 2,3 and 4 without feeling much, if any, difference. For comparison I understand that 5.08 on TQ4 should feel like 5.09 on TQ2 but in my truck there is no comparison, 5.09 on any TQ settings feels similar to 5.08 on TQ2.

One thing that really confirmed this for me is when I am towing with 5.08 on TQ level 3 or 4 (anything above 7,500 pounds) if I hit a hill at around 55mph and I start to ease into the throttle it will instantly shudder the converter, so now I always need to keep the TQ turned down while towing. But on the other hand when I was using 5.09 I could keep the TQ setting on any level and not worry about slipping the converter with normal driving habits.

I keep a spreadsheet of every gallon of fuel that has been run through the truck from the time I purchased the truck new along with any additives, type of fuel, etc and when I loaded 5.09 I had a consistant drop of 1/2 to 1 mile per gallon decrease in fuel milage. I went back to 5.08 and surprizingly the fuel milage came right back to its previous average based upon comparable driving.

I am not sure why my truck reacts like this but this is the findings I have seen and I played with different setting alot and I also have let different setting in the truck for extended periods of time to confirm my conclusions.

 

Can anybody help me here? Do I need to do anything else after it says "writing to memory"?

 

Very interesting. In theory TQ management isn't a factor above about 35mph, its just there to save the drivetrain at low speeds. (i.e. the AAM 11.5 rear axle can only handle 4xx ft lbs of shock tq).. so thats about where the truck is limited until you get up to speed.

I keep meaning to go back to Beta 4 to see what the differences are. My truck really liked Beta 4.

Yes that just writes it to memory in the Box, not the truck. You have to re-download the SW to the truck .

 

So tell me if this is the correct sequence: If I'm in sw2, then go to change the settings (ie. tq to 2 and tm to 4) and then push the button to "write it memory"....I then have to go back and re-download sw2 all over again? And do this everytime I change the tm and tq settings?

 

Yes that is correct. The only thing you can change without re-downloading is PoD levels.

 

[QUOTE=AH64ID;2635338]Very interesting. In theory TQ management isn't a factor above about 35mph, its just there to save the drivetrain at low speeds. (i.e. the AAM 11.5 rear axle can only handle 4xx ft lbs of shock tq).. so thats about where the truck is limited until you get up to speed.

I keep meaning to go back to Beta 4 to see what the differences are. My truck really liked Beta 4.


I understand what you are saying, it is a little confusing to me also. On my truck the TQ settings are not affected as much by speed as they are by RPM. Any time I am between 1500 and 1800 RPM, in any gear the TQ settings in 5.08 are very noticable and when the converter is locked between those RPM's I need to be very careful. Now I always cut the TQ back while towing but for daily around town driving I like 5.08 SW2 TM4 TQ3. It is the best on fuel milage and the nicest to drive, barely touch the pedal and you are up to speed. On the other hand 5.09 any TQ settings it feels like you have to give the truck 1/2 pedal just to stay with traffic out of a light.

 

I'm glad to see this discussion on the different versions of programming, 5.08 vs 5.09. Like mentioned earlier in this thread the I bought the other day has 5.08 on it. AH64ID you mentioned that if I had an early 04 which I do, it would like the higher timer levels....why is that. What might one expect to see from more timing in terms of EGT, MPG, smoke, motor longevity?? what might the drawbacks of more timing be if any?? Also if I updated my Jr to version 5.10 what would be different from 5.08??

 

The 03-04's don't smoke like the 04.5+ trucks do on TM4. My truck runs great on TM4, I just can't stand all the smoke.

You will get cooler EGTs, more MPG's, more power, and more smoke (but not much on an early 04)...

 

I copied below a post I made on another forum. Some of the info has been already discussed, so I apologize if I am repeating anything here again. But maybe it will help someone on here who was/is in the same confused state I was trying to clear up:

Having obviously spent WAY too much time reading Smarty Jr. threads in an attempt to clear my own confusion I was able to put together the following info:

Power Level SW1-40HP (is timing only)
Power Level SW2-70HP (is timing and duration)
Power Level SW3-100HP (is timing and more duration)

Each of the above Power Levels (SW’s) can be adjusted/fine tuned for Torque Management and Injection Timing as follows:

Injection Timing
#0 default (the #0 default setting is the SAME as "#2 smarty standard" listed below)
#1 stock
#2 smarty standard
#3 mild ( less advanced than #2)
#4 advanced (more timing advance than level #2)

This results in a sequence of TM1-TM3-TM2-TM4 with the amount of timing added INCREASING in steps from TM1 through TM4 with TM4 the MOST timing.

Torque Management
#0 default (the #0 default setting is the SAME as "#2 mild" listed below)
#1 stock
#2 mild
#3 milder (less than #2)
#4 mildest (less than #3)

This probably causes the most confusion. Does the "mild/milder/mildest" refer to the amount of "Torque Management" or to the amount of "Torque delivered to the wheels over stock"? I asked the question on another board and the answer from someone involved with Smarty said:

"The order of least to most TQ to the ground is 1,4,3,2" with TQ2 putting the most torque to the ground(see following exception noted in next paragraph)

That would then make Timing #4 and Torque #2 the most aggressive settings. EXCEPT FOR SMARTY VERSION 5.08. For reasons known only to MADS the “torque delivered to the ground” in version 5.08 is 1,2,3,4 as it increases (levels 2 and 4 are reversed from the other versions. I have been told that if you UPDATE a Smarty Jr. version 5.08 to 5.09 or 5.10 it will change the order to 1,4,3,2 like the other versions)

Below are the most powerful and responsive settings for each version (5.07-5.08-5.09-5.10). These are also the most powerful settings for each power level (SW1-SW2-SW3):
version 5.07- timing 4, torque 2
version 5.08- timing 4, torque 4
version 5.09- timing 4, torque 2
version 5.10- timing 4, torque 2

If I am incorrect on my info I apologize in advance for me adding in the confusion. I am sure some of the more knowledgeable will help out

 

Thanks for more info, in the case of the Jr figuring out the different versions has been a pain. Just curious how would one define the term "torque managment"? I assume it is the amount of fuel introduced early in the RPM range at least thats how I see it with the Smarty Jr. Others have defined it by the reduced fuel delivery at shift points to make the tranny live longer. The shop I bought my Jr. from mentioned the fact that you can rev it higher for boosted launches, which i'm not going to do and I have a hard time with that particular definition.
Others have mentioned with the Jr that it falls off in the upper RPMs, I have felt this. Maybe its just because it feels so strong of the bottom, tough to maintain that feel through the RPM range.

 

Good info, thanks.

 

Thanks AH64ID....actually some of the info I posted came from many posts I read, including yours....

 

I haven't read what any of you think of version 5.10 unless its in some earlier pages. If any of you use version 5.10 how is it compared to version 5.08. On my early 04 it seems on TQ 4 (most aggresive on 5.08) I get some surging or something wierd with shifting if I get into the throttle pretty hard. When I change it to TQ 3 that all goes away. Could this be fuel? All stock stuff there.

 

ok y'all I updated to wersion 5.10 and I have to say it's not nearly as responsive compared to 5.08. I've tried TQ 2, TQ 4, and the different timing settings amd I have yet to find any setting that rivals version 5.08 TQ 3, let alone TQ 4. I'm a little disapointed with this to say the least. I'm about ready to invoke the 30 day money back thing or go back to version 5.08. Does anyone have ay input?? Am I missing something??