Please Help Lots invested and still Broke?????
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A scanner without current software doesn't do anyone much good. I hear what you are saying but, the AE is a very poor scanner compared to say the Inline. I've talked to a number of people about the AE and the bottom line is.... you get what you pay for. It's a basic reader is all it is. Ok for looking at some things but, not the whole picture. Like i said.... for the problems he's having and the money he's spent already.... I'd go with a OEM device that can tell all. plus, it will do a reflash if necessary
Have you ever had your truck on a Starscan ? I have just recently and I can guarantee you the AE won't give the info it can.
Plus... a $45 service charge at the dealer is less than $350 :-)
Have you ever had your truck on a Starscan ? I have just recently and I can guarantee you the AE won't give the info it can.
Plus... a $45 service charge at the dealer is less than $350 :-)
Inline only works on the cummins part of the ECM
I thought we were talking about buying a scanner not taking it to the dealer for a flash????
I am confident with my AE scantool it IS a great diagnosing tool if you know how to use it.
the only reason I said anything is cause I think buying a $2k+ scantool for home use is a waste of cash.
you can get mostly the same results with the AE...minus a few "test" options.
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ok yes ANY FACTORY BASED scan tool will provide more "info" then a aftermarket scanner....but the AE scantool will read ALL THE SAME sensors as the starscan.
Inline only works on the cummins part of the ECM
I thought we were talking about buying a scanner not taking it to the dealer for a flash????
I am confident with my AE scantool it IS a great diagnosing tool if you know how to use it.
the only reason I said anything is cause I think buying a $2k+ scantool for home use is a waste of cash.
you can get mostly the same results with the AE...minus a few "test" options.
Inline only works on the cummins part of the ECM
I thought we were talking about buying a scanner not taking it to the dealer for a flash????
I am confident with my AE scantool it IS a great diagnosing tool if you know how to use it.
the only reason I said anything is cause I think buying a $2k+ scantool for home use is a waste of cash.
you can get mostly the same results with the AE...minus a few "test" options.
I also mentioned that scanner because he has some serious issues and as much info as he can get is what he needs :-)
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Nope... the first thing I told him was to go to a dealer to get on a Starscan. I'd rather and think anyone would rather pay $45 every once in a while to a dealer than to have a scanner for several hundred or thousand that barely gets used.
I also mentioned that scanner because he has some serious issues and as much info as he can get is what he needs :-)
I also mentioned that scanner because he has some serious issues and as much info as he can get is what he needs :-)
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Thanks tritont and ***** I know John said he has a star scan and I want him to do some setup. Down the road if I was makin money off of it I would certainly buy one but you guys are both right about paying a little to a dealer every so often is way better. The whole reason I was looking at buying one is I tried the 3 dodge dealers at home and the one here in ok and they all said they wouldnt look at it or it would be a while and then they dont know.
Losers. When my wifes durrango had trouble with her door locks they drove 30 miles out to my house. Thats why I bought my truck in Nashville (well that and I was on the road workin close by).
Factory service for non stock trucks does not exist.
Losers. When my wifes durrango had trouble with her door locks they drove 30 miles out to my house. Thats why I bought my truck in Nashville (well that and I was on the road workin close by).
Factory service for non stock trucks does not exist.
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The biggest thing that Tritont, 53, and others need to know about the scanners is a Starscan is not required. A DRBIII will give the same info available on the Starscan. The Starscan IS required on the CAN vehicles as the DRB will not communicate. ANY OBDII scanner ( not just a code reader) wil give the info that will be needed to diagnosethe truck in question. Correct in saying that a basic OBDII scanner will not do all of the tests that the DRB/Starscan is capable of, but in this situation, I don't think that 99% of those test will be relevant. Need to read sensors basically. Just FYI - Not trying to start a war!
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The biggest thing that Tritont, 53, and others need to know about the scanners is a Starscan is not required. A DRBIII will give the same info available on the Starscan. The Starscan IS required on the CAN vehicles as the DRB will not communicate. ANY OBDII scanner ( not just a code reader) wil give the info that will be needed to diagnosethe truck in question. Correct in saying that a basic OBDII scanner will not do all of the tests that the DRB/Starscan is capable of, but in this situation, I don't think that 99% of those test will be relevant. Need to read sensors basically. Just FYI - Not trying to start a war!
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I had another post and it is here.
Which shows more of the story. The most recent updates:
We found a piece of rubber in one of the fuel lines and there was nothing wrong with the fass period. They did check it on the bench and send me NEW filters again.
Baillie diesel blew out all the lines and put it all back together.
Got the truck back, drove it home. Ran for a week then it started to stumble and then it got worse and worse until it quit starting. After much searching John determined based on the codes and the way it was acting it was the FCA. So I replaced it with my old one while I was waiting on the new one to come in from floor it and it cleared up like it was fixed for good.
I drove it to oklahoma and now its stuck in the parking lot with what I thought was another bad FCA. Same symptoms. But CNSMOKE diesels, Brian Carter, came over on a saturday to the hotel with StrokerX from Heartland Diesel and compd (again thank you guys so much for your efforts) and tried to help me figure it out but we hooked and unhooked everything on the truck and swapped fcas left and right and nothin.
Weve tried modified fcas, stock ones, filters fuel lines you name it.
Are there any of you geniouses out there that have other ideas. It will idle when you start it up almost forever, but if you go to drive it it acts like it is out of fuel and stumbles alot but its pretty much the same as it has always acted ever since this problem started.
If I dont figure this out soon Im gonna be forced to put the truck on the trailer and drive it to Lawrence, KS to see if John can work on it himself. Talk about frustration.
Its all motor at this point the only aftermarket parts on the truck involed are injectors and cp3. If it was a fuel pump issue it wouldnt run at all right, I mean its gonna pull fuel with the cp3. Doubtful its the inj. as Don just had them.
My wife is livid. She is all about I told you so right now since she wanted me to take that Duramax to work in oklahoma. I hate that truck (bought it as a cheap work truck for our employees, what a great idea
). And ive only got to drive my dodge for a week or two since sept.
I cant read fuel preassure since the commander wont read on my truck for some stupid reason talked to tech support but to no avail. I cant get anything to work. I pulled the TST becouse Baillie diesel said it would run rough on zero on all settings. I called TST and they said it should be working.
Help!
Which shows more of the story. The most recent updates:
We found a piece of rubber in one of the fuel lines and there was nothing wrong with the fass period. They did check it on the bench and send me NEW filters again.
Baillie diesel blew out all the lines and put it all back together.
Got the truck back, drove it home. Ran for a week then it started to stumble and then it got worse and worse until it quit starting. After much searching John determined based on the codes and the way it was acting it was the FCA. So I replaced it with my old one while I was waiting on the new one to come in from floor it and it cleared up like it was fixed for good.
I drove it to oklahoma and now its stuck in the parking lot with what I thought was another bad FCA. Same symptoms. But CNSMOKE diesels, Brian Carter, came over on a saturday to the hotel with StrokerX from Heartland Diesel and compd (again thank you guys so much for your efforts) and tried to help me figure it out but we hooked and unhooked everything on the truck and swapped fcas left and right and nothin.
Weve tried modified fcas, stock ones, filters fuel lines you name it.
Are there any of you geniouses out there that have other ideas. It will idle when you start it up almost forever, but if you go to drive it it acts like it is out of fuel and stumbles alot but its pretty much the same as it has always acted ever since this problem started.
If I dont figure this out soon Im gonna be forced to put the truck on the trailer and drive it to Lawrence, KS to see if John can work on it himself. Talk about frustration.
Its all motor at this point the only aftermarket parts on the truck involed are injectors and cp3. If it was a fuel pump issue it wouldnt run at all right, I mean its gonna pull fuel with the cp3. Doubtful its the inj. as Don just had them.
My wife is livid. She is all about I told you so right now since she wanted me to take that Duramax to work in oklahoma. I hate that truck (bought it as a cheap work truck for our employees, what a great idea
). And ive only got to drive my dodge for a week or two since sept. I cant read fuel preassure since the commander wont read on my truck for some stupid reason talked to tech support but to no avail. I cant get anything to work. I pulled the TST becouse Baillie diesel said it would run rough on zero on all settings. I called TST and they said it should be working.
Help!
The truck will or wont start now?
I had to remove a chunk of rubber from an injector that ate a piece a few weeks back. It was holding the injector wide open and the pump could not build pressure during cranking to get it to start.
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It will start and idle unless I hold the throttle open while its cutting out and then it will die. It only acts up at around 20 mph. Acts fairly normal at idle. When the cutting out happens the rp will drop out to nothin.
I really think its a sensor. Is there anything that would effect the quad fuel preassure, boost etc, that would be going wrong?
I really think its a sensor. Is there anything that would effect the quad fuel preassure, boost etc, that would be going wrong?
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Unhook EVERYTHING you can, get it as close to stock as possible, don't just use the TST bypass plug, unhook ALL rp gauge connections that are not stock. I think the RP sensor is kinda pricey for what it is, around $300, but a trip pulling a trailer tp a Lawrence KS is gonna drink several $$$$$ worth of diesel.
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I'm no genius....but if you found rubber bits on the engine side of the fuel filter then you have definitely have CP3 and injector problems....12 microns is wayyy to big...Don M has it right....If you have an injector open then your crankcase will have a nice diesel smell to it...are you making oil. If you have an injector open....pray it doesn't start...as you can kiss a cylinder good bye pretty quick... A different set of injectors and another CP3 and you will probably fly again...ks
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I am with Gwoody, unplug everything and get the electronics as stock as possible. All these connections make for way to many variables. Make sure you are getting good clean tight connections. With these symptoms it is going to be tough to diagonis, if the computer isn't throwing you any codes
. I have been there and it can be very tough. Also why does it matter which scan tool he uses, just find an obdII scan tool and hope the problem doesn't happen so fast that the computer doesn't show it.
. I have been there and it can be very tough. Also why does it matter which scan tool he uses, just find an obdII scan tool and hope the problem doesn't happen so fast that the computer doesn't show it.
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Don....I know you are referred to as an expert, but that scenario would be pretty counter productive in my opinion. Too many variables could happen like wires and harnesses getting moved that could actually be the problem, and all the sudden the problem dissapears, and they think they fixed it, only to reappear later. I think it would be time and money well spent, to have someone with a scanner spend some time to actually find the issue before too many things get disturbed. JMO