Please Help Lots invested and still Broke?????
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The Heartland Diesel I'd heard about was in Western KY. Though maybe you were a little closer! LOL Wish I could help. Have you checked the fuel supply? It kind of sounds like you are running out of fuel. Could the pickup line be sucking shut? Is there any way you can revert back to the factory fuel pick up? (I'm assuming you have a draw straw with the FASS) Try running a hose from the FASS into a clean container of fuel just to rule it out. I know, I know, everyone has ideas, and ur probably tired of lookin' at the truck ( I know I get that way when one stumps me) but if ya get a minute to try it, it'd be an easy test. If the CP3 is building the pressure you stated above at an idle, IF it is getting enough fuel supplied to it ( thru the FASS) it SHOULD be able to build sufficient pressure under a load as well. Did anyone check the Rail relief valve? That could be letting all your pressure go past the rail too. Just a few ideas to throw out there. Good luck man. Need anything, pm me for a #.
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I took tha tank down myself last summer and redid the screwed up straw situation that liberator screwed up.
But the bucket idea would work to keep me from havin to drop tha tank
The prv has been removed and the rail capped.
Heartland is a forum. Fairly new, mostly Oklahoma Texas and Missouri pee poles. Real eager to help c n that most of them are fordicators. Can't thank them enough for tryin though.
But the bucket idea would work to keep me from havin to drop tha tank
The prv has been removed and the rail capped.
Heartland is a forum. Fairly new, mostly Oklahoma Texas and Missouri pee poles. Real eager to help c n that most of them are fordicators. Can't thank them enough for tryin though.
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Is there any small shops around that area? I know my Snap-On Modis reads all the values, voltages etc. It tells me commanded and actual rail pressure also. I am pretty sure most of the better OTC scanners will do the same thing.
Too bad it happened on the weekend. I could have boxed up my scanner and overnighted it to you. If you need anything that I can help with, shoot me a PM.
Good luck
Too bad it happened on the weekend. I could have boxed up my scanner and overnighted it to you. If you need anything that I can help with, shoot me a PM.
Good luck
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Thanks for the offer matego I guess I may just want to buy one someday. This problem has been severly ongoing. I might could have solved this long ago.
Googan thanks man but that was the first thing I tried this morning.
Googan thanks man but that was the first thing I tried this morning.
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Have you tried swapping out the rail pressure sensor, I may have missed it if you said you did. Clean the connections on any of the fuel sytem sensors, a little moisture in the plugs make these things act goofy. I think Tulsa has had a lot of rain latley, I know I'm grasping................................
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I'm in Tulsa .... mine is a 12v, so not much help on special electronic tools. but could help in locating a diesel tech local. which is much better/cheaper than towing it home. especially if you are going to pay someone else to fix anyways.
please PM..
please PM..
I'm in Oklahoma near Tulsa. I'm usually in Springfield but daddys gotta pay tha bills. Man that sounds pretty far.
I appreciate the offer though but I would I'd feel like a real pud to send people that far away to help my silly truck problems. I felt bad enough havin brian and joe drive an hour today.
I appreciate the offer though but I would I'd feel like a real pud to send people that far away to help my silly truck problems. I felt bad enough havin brian and joe drive an hour today.
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A couple things to try
I had another post and it is here.
Which shows more of the story. The most recent updates:
We found a piece of rubber in one of the fuel lines and there was nothing wrong with the fass period. They did check it on the bench and send me NEW filters again.
Baillie diesel blew out all the lines and put it all back together.
Got the truck back, drove it home. Ran for a week then it started to stumble and then it got worse and worse until it quit starting. After much searching John determined based on the codes and the way it was acting it was the FCA. So I replaced it with my old one while I was waiting on the new one to come in from floor it and it cleared up like it was fixed for good.
I drove it to oklahoma and now its stuck in the parking lot with what I thought was another bad FCA. Same symptoms. But CNSMOKE diesels, Brian Carter, came over on a saturday to the hotel with StrokerX from Heartland Diesel and compd (again thank you guys so much for your efforts) and tried to help me figure it out but we hooked and unhooked everything on the truck and swapped fcas left and right and nothin.
Weve tried modified fcas, stock ones, filters fuel lines you name it.
Are there any of you geniouses out there that have other ideas. It will idle when you start it up almost forever, but if you go to drive it it acts like it is out of fuel and stumbles alot but its pretty much the same as it has always acted ever since this problem started.
If I dont figure this out soon Im gonna be forced to put the truck on the trailer and drive it to Lawrence, KS to see if John can work on it himself. Talk about frustration.
Its all motor at this point the only aftermarket parts on the truck involed are injectors and cp3. If it was a fuel pump issue it wouldnt run at all right, I mean its gonna pull fuel with the cp3. Doubtful its the inj. as Don just had them.
My wife is livid. She is all about I told you so right now since she wanted me to take that Duramax to work in oklahoma. I hate that truck (bought it as a cheap work truck for our employees, what a great idea
). And ive only got to drive my dodge for a week or two since sept.
I cant read fuel preassure since the commander wont read on my truck for some stupid reason talked to tech support but to no avail. I cant get anything to work. I pulled the TST becouse Baillie diesel said it would run rough on zero on all settings. I called TST and they said it should be working.
Help!
Which shows more of the story. The most recent updates:
We found a piece of rubber in one of the fuel lines and there was nothing wrong with the fass period. They did check it on the bench and send me NEW filters again.
Baillie diesel blew out all the lines and put it all back together.
Got the truck back, drove it home. Ran for a week then it started to stumble and then it got worse and worse until it quit starting. After much searching John determined based on the codes and the way it was acting it was the FCA. So I replaced it with my old one while I was waiting on the new one to come in from floor it and it cleared up like it was fixed for good.
I drove it to oklahoma and now its stuck in the parking lot with what I thought was another bad FCA. Same symptoms. But CNSMOKE diesels, Brian Carter, came over on a saturday to the hotel with StrokerX from Heartland Diesel and compd (again thank you guys so much for your efforts) and tried to help me figure it out but we hooked and unhooked everything on the truck and swapped fcas left and right and nothin.
Weve tried modified fcas, stock ones, filters fuel lines you name it.
Are there any of you geniouses out there that have other ideas. It will idle when you start it up almost forever, but if you go to drive it it acts like it is out of fuel and stumbles alot but its pretty much the same as it has always acted ever since this problem started.
If I dont figure this out soon Im gonna be forced to put the truck on the trailer and drive it to Lawrence, KS to see if John can work on it himself. Talk about frustration.
Its all motor at this point the only aftermarket parts on the truck involed are injectors and cp3. If it was a fuel pump issue it wouldnt run at all right, I mean its gonna pull fuel with the cp3. Doubtful its the inj. as Don just had them.
My wife is livid. She is all about I told you so right now since she wanted me to take that Duramax to work in oklahoma. I hate that truck (bought it as a cheap work truck for our employees, what a great idea
). And ive only got to drive my dodge for a week or two since sept. I cant read fuel preassure since the commander wont read on my truck for some stupid reason talked to tech support but to no avail. I cant get anything to work. I pulled the TST becouse Baillie diesel said it would run rough on zero on all settings. I called TST and they said it should be working.
Help!
1) Use your by-pass plug on the TST and see what happens.
2) If you have the rail option on your TST then unplug it and plug it back into itself so as to keep the connections clean and then plug in the oem rail plug in the rail itself. And yes it will run in it's oem configuration like that. The design on that rail feature by TST was for a stock cp3 and you have modified yours and it may not be compatible. Give it a shot.
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Have you tried swapping out the rail pressure sensor, I may have missed it if you said you did. Clean the connections on any of the fuel sytem sensors, a little moisture in the plugs make these things act goofy. I think Tulsa has had a lot of rain latley, I know I'm grasping................................
This seems silly as you probably have already done these things,.. but just in case you haven't,... try these:
1) Use your by-pass plug on the TST and see what happens.
2) If you have the rail option on your TST then unplug it and plug it back into itself so as to keep the connections clean and then plug in the oem rail plug in the rail itself. And yes it will run in it's oem configuration like that. The design on that rail feature by TST was for a stock cp3 and you have modified yours and it may not be compatible. Give it a shot.
1) Use your by-pass plug on the TST and see what happens.
2) If you have the rail option on your TST then unplug it and plug it back into itself so as to keep the connections clean and then plug in the oem rail plug in the rail itself. And yes it will run in it's oem configuration like that. The design on that rail feature by TST was for a stock cp3 and you have modified yours and it may not be compatible. Give it a shot.
Thank you all for your attempts, it sounds like I NEED an OBD scanner, before anything else can happen.
I did drive about 8 hours round trip in the rental car to go get the other truck and trailer. So atleast im not stuck anymore. I got to the hotel at 2:00am and I woke up with a killer flu and straight to work at 5:45am. So illness permitting I might just load it on the trailer and take it there tomorrow.
Does one of the car parts places have a scanner or atleast one for sale or is this more complicated equipment than that?
Its not that I dont want to try myself im just over it. Take it to the single most knowledgable person you know and get it fixed or atleast a believable diagnosis. With every step I felt like that was it and every time a week into it im dumping another $5-600 to test and try something else. Very frustrating.
Again I appreciate you guys time reading and tryin to figure it out. I will certainly post what turns out to be the problem. I think I will have John Dyno it also while its there if he can get it fixed. Thanks again.
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dood scanners are nice but, none will tell you the info a Starscan will. If you really want to know what's going on with your truck.... that's what you need. It will check cylinder pressures, injectors, and be able to look at every sensor your truck has. A basic OBD scanner isn't going to do that.
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dood scanners are nice but, none will tell you the info a Starscan will. If you really want to know what's going on with your truck.... that's what you need. It will check cylinder pressures, injectors, and be able to look at every sensor your truck has. A basic OBD scanner isn't going to do that.
how does the starscan know what the cylinder pressure is? that would mean there is a sensor on each cylinder for pressure...and what is "Cylinder pressure"?? are you saying it will check compression from the scanner(starscan)???
my autoengineuity scanner can read every sensor...but it wont run ALL the test that a starscan will...it will do injector cut out test on my 06....but when my buddy brought his 03 over to try I could not get it to cut the injectors for some reason. it's a great scanner for the price if you have a laptop already..to buy a snap-on or OTC or any big brand scanner that will do what a starscan would be $2k+
all I am saying is you dont have to buy a starscan to get a good scanner for diagnosing.
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how does the starscan know what the cylinder pressure is? that would mean there is a sensor on each cylinder for pressure...and what is "Cylinder pressure"?? are you saying it will check compression from the scanner(starscan)???
my autoengineuity scanner can read every sensor...but it wont run ALL the test that a starscan will...it will do injector cut out test on my 06....but when my buddy brought his 03 over to try I could not get it to cut the injectors for some reason. it's a great scanner for the price if you have a laptop already..to buy a snap-on or OTC or any big brand scanner that will do what a starscan would be $2k+
all I am saying is you dont have to buy a starscan to get a good scanner for diagnosing.
my autoengineuity scanner can read every sensor...but it wont run ALL the test that a starscan will...it will do injector cut out test on my 06....but when my buddy brought his 03 over to try I could not get it to cut the injectors for some reason. it's a great scanner for the price if you have a laptop already..to buy a snap-on or OTC or any big brand scanner that will do what a starscan would be $2k+
all I am saying is you dont have to buy a starscan to get a good scanner for diagnosing.
To do a REAL diagnoses, and with the problems he seems to be having.... I wouldn't go the half way with a universal scanner.... I'd want to know everything I could find out..... but that's me.
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the AE will read and you can compare the values of each sensor..just like a starscan...the thing the starscan has on AE is it can do a cylinder balance test...AE IS a great, easy to use, full function scanner if you know how to use it.....you can look at the EXACT same sensors to see what they are doing with my $350 scanner..
you can buy a starscan right now if you want looks like a pretty goos deal too....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrys...spagenameZWDVW
you can buy a starscan right now if you want looks like a pretty goos deal too....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrys...spagenameZWDVW
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the AE will read and you can compare the values of each sensor..just like a starscan...the thing the starscan has on AE is it can do a cylinder balance test...AE IS a great, easy to use, full function scanner if you know how to use it.....you can look at the EXACT same sensors to see what they are doing with my $350 scanner..
you can buy a starscan right now if you want looks like a pretty goos deal too....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrys...spagenameZWDVW
you can buy a starscan right now if you want looks like a pretty goos deal too....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrys...spagenameZWDVW
Have you ever had your truck on a Starscan ? I have just recently and I can guarantee you the AE won't give the info it can.
Plus... a $45 service charge at the dealer is less than $350 :-)
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the AE will read and you can compare the values of each sensor..just like a starscan...the thing the starscan has on AE is it can do a cylinder balance test...AE IS a great, easy to use, full function scanner if you know how to use it.....you can look at the EXACT same sensors to see what they are doing with my $350 scanner..
you can buy a starscan right now if you want looks like a pretty goos deal too....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrys...spagenameZWDVW
you can buy a starscan right now if you want looks like a pretty goos deal too....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chrys...spagenameZWDVW