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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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No, I have the throttle cables and my cruise is vacuum operated.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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So much for STAR...... So, back to work. How many people with 03' trucks have it working for sure with the cruise buttons. I saw one post before.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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as soon as i find a dealer that doesnt want to over charge me i will let you know. im not sure if they should charge me or not, since my truck is still in warranty.

Policy: Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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I took mine in and they told me NO. Another dealer told me $45 to tell me if it can work or not, but I'm sorry guys, I'm not paying those sobs for an answer!
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by no_6_oh_no
Now that is downright hilarious!

Multiple posts indicating it DOES work and IS available, a TSB issued by DC themselves indicating it is available, and the supposed "authority" saying no way no how it doesn't work.

This has got to be the most blatant example of the tech authority not having a clue I have ever seen! I wonder what continent he was from?


Just one more question, did he ask if you wanted to super-size that?
Quite frankly, the gentleman I talked to seemed very well informed. What is your build date? Has the ECM ever been replaced? You have multiple unknowns that may be allowing you to have this feature. It was "most" trucks after 1/1/04 that had the feature programmed in.
Originally Posted by soulezoo
Did he at least offer a "Slushy"?

My offer still stands for anyone that needs to see that mine works exactly as advertised with the cruise control switch! And i've done nothing except download a smarty file or two... or twenty!
This is my next call - to Marco or Bob. One question.......What kind of cruise buttons do you have? The teardrop shaped ones or the squared ones?
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by vzdude
I have enabled it and the 3 cyl idle with the DRB, but the only high idle that works is the "automatic high idle" ( under 32*, no brake, no accel, yada yada yada )
3cyl fast idle is a VP thing, not a CP3 thing...



Good luck getting it working on the 03's.. I really like having it... with the EB my EGTs are 625* at 1100... that warms the engine up FAST.. like 5-6 minutes in 20* weather..


Also.... its fast idle, not high idle... high idle is rated rpm w/ no load...
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ah64id
3cyl fast idle is a VP thing, not a CP3 thing..


Also.... its fast idle, not high idle... high idle is rated rpm w/ no load...
Well......tomato, tomatoe ! The 3cyl. idle feature was there before my last reflash?!? You know......just for what its worth, and for your information, I'd like for this to work. If you don't have any constructive advice, you can feel free to refrain. I'd rather not pay 6-7 hundred dollars for a Smarty, just to get high idle. I may buy a Smarty for other reasons though! What I would like to get is a "fast" idle that I figured out myself and paid less than ten bucks for! Also.......why would it be "high IDLE" if it was at rated rpm's? Kinda sounds like an oxymoron to me. If it were at rated rpm's it would not be an idle.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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It has to do with and when the ECM change came about.From a D.C. setup to a Cummins set up. D.C. ECM "NO Fast IDLE"by cruise system and NO way to download the software program much less turn it on.Somewhere in 04 or 04.5 Cummins software was used had to have fast idle program downloaded and then needed it enabled.Then 04.5? UP has the software already and just needed it ENABLED. This is the way I read the TSB's way back when the cruise control high idle was brought up and discussed early on(few years ago) Am I missing something?
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hounddog
It has to do with and when the ECM change came about.From a D.C. setup to a Cummins set up. D.C. ECM "NO Fast IDLE"by cruise system and NO way to download the software program much less turn it on.Somewhere in 04 or 04.5 Cummins software was used had to have fast idle program downloaded and then needed it enabled.Then 04.5? UP has the software already and just needed it ENABLED. This is the way I read the TSB's way back when the cruise control high idle was brought up and discussed early on(few years ago) Am I missing something?
No, you are exactly right Houndog. I was just hoping since having the flash ( and it updates the part number to that comparable to an 05 ) that I could reverse engineer it to work! After talking to STAR, I concede that it can't happen that way. Now.....I'm hoping to work something out thru the PTO circuit. We'll see!
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Yea and about this 3cyl warm up thing.Once in a BLUE moon this is stated by a 03 owner.Yet folks posting from all over the far north and these freeze your tail off states NEVER mention it.I think some of the few that says their 3rd GEN does this have trucks that don't run good cold.All I've EVER read on the 3cyl cold start was on 2nd gens that were programed for it and it was NOT carried over to a 3rd gen.My truck starts and runs SMOOTH except for the grid heater cycling in 10 degrees without being plugged in.It starts and jumps to 1000 rpm no smoke no romp just a clean running engine.This was improved with the Rottech crank sensor mod.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vzdude
Well......tomato, tomatoe ! The 3cyl. idle feature was there before my last reflash?!? You know......just for what its worth, and for your information, I'd like for this to work. If you don't have any constructive advice, you can feel free to refrain. I'd rather not pay 6-7 hundred dollars for a Smarty, just to get high idle. I may buy a Smarty for other reasons though! What I would like to get is a "fast" idle that I figured out myself and paid less than ten bucks for! Also.......why would it be "high IDLE" if it was at rated rpm's? Kinda sounds like an oxymoron to me. If it were at rated rpm's it would not be an idle.
Wow somebody has her panties in a bunch... and yes that is fast idle... go down to a HD diesel shop and ask what fast idle it....

I would like to see it work too.. Its a great feature.

This TSB and this TSB discuss the New Cummins ECM PN vs the Chrysler PN.

Reading that first one it looks like just the programing has changed on the ECM, not the ECM it self. This TSB is the one that states that its for the pre 325 motor... so one would think it would work in 03.. .but the TSB isn't list for 03's.. just early 04's.

So I guess its up in the air.. some work.. some dont...

What does it take for the early 04's to get it to work with a manual? I assume its a different ECM?
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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Just figure out a NEAT way to use a manual locking throttle cable work off the floor feed for a MANUAL FAST/HIGH controlled by our OWN fingers idle!: I bought some of the stuff to do such just with being ill and such I never got back to it.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hounddog
Yea and about this 3cyl warm up thing.Once in a BLUE moon this is stated by a 03 owner.Yet folks posting from all over the far north and these freeze your tail off states NEVER mention it.I think some of the few that says their 3rd GEN does this have trucks that don't run good cold.All I've EVER read on the 3cyl cold start was on 2nd gens that were programed for it and it was NOT carried over to a 3rd gen.My truck starts and runs SMOOTH except for the grid heater cycling in 10 degrees without being plugged in.It starts and jumps to 1000 rpm no smoke no romp just a clean running engine.This was improved with the Rottech crank sensor mod.
Yeah.. a holdover from 02.. .kinda like the 06 manual states the WIF light should be on when you turn the key on..


Originally Posted by vzdude
No, you are exactly right Houndog. I was just hoping since having the flash ( and it updates the part number to that comparable to an 05 ) that I could reverse engineer it to work! After talking to STAR, I concede that it can't happen that way. Now.....I'm hoping to work something out thru the PTO circuit. We'll see!
Hmm.. reading the TSB's I would have expected it to work with a ECM flash.. What if you flashed it as an 04? vs the 03?
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 06:04 PM
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By the way I did talk to a GURU that taught at a voc.school.Auto science.He said why not just TRICK the cruise so it can come on at a standstill etc.He said "I would need to look at wiring diagrahams" but don't think it would be real difficult.This conversaion took place in 04.He mentioned more on the subject but that was the jest of it.
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Old Jan 3, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hounddog
Yea and about this 3cyl warm up thing.Once in a BLUE moon this is stated by a 03 owner.Yet folks posting from all over the far north and these freeze your tail off states NEVER mention it.I think some of the few that says their 3rd GEN does this have trucks that don't run good cold.All I've EVER read on the 3cyl cold start was on 2nd gens that were programed for it and it was NOT carried over to a 3rd gen.My truck starts and runs SMOOTH except for the grid heater cycling in 10 degrees without being plugged in.It starts and jumps to 1000 rpm no smoke no romp just a clean running engine.This was improved with the Rottech crank sensor mod.
I swear by the sound of my exhaust, that it works on mine, but in all honesty.......the engine feels smooth still, not jumping around like I would expect it to.


Originally Posted by ah64id
Wow somebody has her panties in a bunch... and yes that is fast idle... go down to a HD diesel shop and ask what fast idle it....
I have access to DealerConnect and a DRBIII - do you not thinkhave read the tsb's? Honestly, was your first comment really necessary? You obviously don't need help, and aren't offering me any, so why not lurk elsewhere?

I also really don't care what most HD diesel shops call it, if it is idle - it is below rated rpm. Whatever dude.
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