Kinda hard to diagnose a problem that was removed before diagnostics began ........ wouldn't you say?

 

Being and honest, upstanding, look you in the eye kinda guy is being on a high horse? Man *shakes head* no wonder the world is what it is. These are the same values this country was founded on, and they are squat these days. Most people would screw you in a New York minute, but cry and complain when you won't give them a break or the benefit of the doubt.

 

And who do you think caused that

 

I would remove it just like the manufactuerer recommends. It not that your hiding anything. You just don't want the chip/module interferring with their diagnoses.


I would remove it just so it doesn't get stolen at the dealership, along with everything in the glove box.
Jim

 

This is what I'm gonna do. I have 7200 miles on my truck right now...And have now had 5500+/- of them with the K&N on it. I am going to get some white duct tape, some alcohol to clean ANY little debris/oil/dust/micro particles off of a small square section of the intake tubing on my K&N, I am going to stick a 2"x2" square of the white tape on any one side of the intake tube just a bit passed the filter and I am going to monitor it for the next 7700miles and when I do my 15000 mile maintenance. I will take before and after pics for ya'll. If there is any of this mysterious debris/dust/oil/micro particles that I have been hearing about from a few of ya'll, surely the white tape would show any evidence better than the black tube would right? I just can't deal with this whole "K&N and K&N only will void your warranty" or "K&N doesn't filter good enough and it will kill your turbo" propaganda anymore. I've seen FAR too many folks run K&N over the past 10 years with nothing but good things to say about their results with the product, a VERY reputable company by the way, whom I am SURE would NOT be selling their products to folks if there were hints of their product voiding the warranty of the vehicle it is being put on or even worse KILLING it...surely there would be lawsuits by now, correct? I've read the small print on my K&N kits and NOWHERE does it say "This product may likely, can possibly or WILL void the warranty on your vehicle or leave you walking because it doesn't filter good enough (even though we claim on our website and all advertisements to filter BETTER and flow BETTER than stock). Please continue to put it on. Thanks for purchasing your K&N" When LEGALLY, they would HAVE to inform you of such information... I'll keep ya'll posted....

Derek

 

K&N filters get a bad rep from the AFE guys but AFE is not on going back on my truck. K and N may have had a problem when they first made filters for diesel trucks due to the significant greater amount of suction that the modified diesels develop.....but I've seen many oil analysis on here that say they are no worse than stock. ks

 

This is all I can think of too...AFE and a few others trying to run them in the ground...but more over, people just trying to justify their spending $200+/- extra bucks for the AFE. I too ran the AFE and sold it because I didn't care for how loud the ringing was too much "downgraded" to the K&N and like it just fine.

Derek

 

For those interested, I was just informed that Chrysler is now requiring RPM, Boost Pressure, and Fuel rate from the freeze frame data, if not in spec you may have voided warranty. They say they are getting too many claims from modding trucks and are going to start cracking down.

 

If you have a chip or a programmer how can the freeze frame data show the actual fuel rate, and boost pressure!

Isn't the pcm or ECM getting the wrong info anyway an example would be HOW far off the Overhead goes?

 

I think the main beef with K&N could be due to improper maintenance, too much or not enough oil applied after cleaning.

 

More than likely too much...ths could happen to ANY oiled filter

 

How would you feel if you took your truck in with diesel fuel filling the oil pan...and they told you the warranty is voided because of the XM radio you have? That is what I am talking about, albeit greatly exaggerated.

All I/you expect is fair treatment. I WOULD NOT take my truck in for warranty work if I did not feel it was a legitimate warranty. I am willing to do what it takes to be treated FAIRLY and if that includes removing a tuner to get FAIR and JUSTIFIABLE warranty work done, then so be it.

I don't live in the black and white world that you and Hoss seem to occupy.

If you want to get into an ethical discussion, that is fine with me. I spent a fair part of my college life in philosophy, epistemology and ethics classes. The "values" this country was founded on are not squat these days. MOST people would not screw you in a New York minute. I don't agree with your sentiments at all.

 

When it comes to auto dealerships, I'll say that most, if not many, will screw a consumer over anyway they can for an extra dollar. From the sales to the service! They'll lay out unnecessary repairs and exorbitant expenses. And a surprising number of customers will say yes without questioning or checking out the dealership.
I'll say that the average citizen is far more ethical than many businesses. It's all about the green stuff and the bean counters saying get more.
I know of one dealership that was sold to a national corporation that consists of over 120+ dealerships. They kept the ex-owner's name on the business. His name in now ruined among many of his old time customers. He has tried several times to have his name removed from the business but has had no luck.
Do you think I would take a vehicle in there for a warranty issue?
They charge 15% extra on any repair for "consumables" like the paper floor mats they use doing an oil change. A friend made 4 trips with his wife's car to that dealership to correct a problem. They finally told him it was his wife's fault and flagged his warranty as to possible "costumer abuse" of the vehicle.
Another local dealer fixed the problem in one visit, total time of 15 minutes to replace a sensor - no more problems. They were aware of what kind of crap the other dealership was pulling.
It drives the more knowledgeable consumers to the reputable dealers. Where the back log of repairs causes long waits.

There is definitely a problem of ethics here concerning warranties. But it cuts both ways and on both sides of the issue. And Daimler/Chrysler has a large part of the blame.

 

What do you mean, Who caused that? Obviously I did by having the modification done. No one is disputing that. But mineis not the only case in which this has happened.

 

I had front pump seal failures twice in my truck. The fact that they looked at it saw that it was BullyDog and then did their own research into that is what got me. They had no proof of anything other than that and referred to all of the plug in modules, not downloaders as being the culprit or even possible culprit.

I am not trying to argue with anyone just putting in my real life situations.