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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 79warlock
When you have a check engine light on and take it in to get the MAP sensor replaced, DC could charge the dealer back if they find oil from your filter on it.There is a reason that K&N filters can void your warranty.
There are some dealers that may be dishonest, but there are way more dishonest customers that try to get either DC or the dealer to pay for things they shouldn't.
I don't know how other dealers and techs operate, but I know that if I work on vehicle that has been modified, I don't say anything about the mods and I assume they were not the cause of the failure unless I can prove otherwise.
I run K&N Cold Air on my truck...no oil problems...my father has run K&N on his 99' since he bought it...no oil problems. How can K&N void a warranty and not say...AFE? Both are oiled, but if oiled/maintained PROPERLY, both are efficient. I ran both by the way...maybe the filtration of the AFE is a little better than the K&N, but the K&N is better than stock, and I had no evidence of oil or debris from either.

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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Chopper_Bob
If you did want to take that pyrometer out. Just go to the local hardware store and get a 1/8" NPT pipe plug and put it in the port that you drilled and tapped. No big deal.

However, if it were me, I would leave the gauges hooked up and pull the Juice.

The Attitude monitor run through the Edge. They are not really seperate. Leaving the attitude would be like leaving the Juice in. I am only somewhat worried about my dealer. Like I said I am in their enough buying Dodge Parts and getting any recalls done to my old truck. PLus like I have mentioned in another post I am a big guy and stick out like the Green Giants sore thumb so they know me and all say hi to me. The service writers have been their for years except the one that I went to high school with. So I will probably just pull everything off and plug the whole with pyro hole with a S.S bolt
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by derek.mckay
I run K&N Cold Air on my truck...no oil problems...my father has run K&N on his 99' since he bought it...no oil problems. How can K&N void a warranty and not say...AFE? Both are oiled, but if oiled/maintained PROPERLY, both are efficient. I ran both by the way...maybe the filtration of the AFE is a little better than the K&N, but the K&N is better than stock, and I had no evidence of oil or debris from either.

Derek
I also doubt the air filter will void your warranty. I had my MAC air system still hooked up and a Banks High ram on mine when I went in for the tranny slipping. They never said a word
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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I completely agree that one should take responsibility for one's actions. What I am talking about is path of least resistance, not dishonesty.
Call it what you want to. Just remember, it's never wrong to do what's right.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDave12768
The Attitude monitor run through the Edge. They are not really seperate. Leaving the attitude would be like leaving the Juice in.
What a novel idea!
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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To be honest will all of you the Juice is coming out soon anyway. I am going to try something else.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDave12768
To be honest will all of you the Juice is coming out soon anyway. I am going to try something else.
See what you started BigDave?!
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 79warlock
....There are some dealers that may be dishonest, but there are way more dishonest customers that try to get either DC or the dealer to pay for things they shouldn't....
If I have a check engine light come on - out comes scan tool to find the problem before it goes to the dealership.
No, I don't trust dealerships. I learned that the hard way. I'm definitely not going to try to rip anyone off when it comes a problem I caused. But on the other hand, I'm not going to let them rip me off either.

By the way, how can a well known and commonly used filter invalidate the WHOLE warranty on the vehicle? No where in the literature I received from Dodge on the purchase of my truck did I find a warning NOT to use an oil type filter?
The air filter surely wouldn't have anything to do with an air conditioning compressor going out. Or a leaking brake line. Or a radio not working...
But after some things I've seen and heard at some car dealers, the problems are always due to the customer once they have your money for the new car.
Only a dealer trying to avoid warranty repair would do such a thing. And yes, some dealers will invalidate a warranty for the least reason.

I maintain and treat my vehicles to last well over 100K - one reason I bought a diesel. I'm not stupid enough to push the truck beyond what it was built for. And I'm not a roll over customer if they think they can bamboozle or swindle me.
After listening to a service writer try to BS my wife about her Intrepid, I will not willingly trust another dealer without having a history of honest work being done. If they treat me fairly, I'll definitely do the same.
But I WILL NOT BE TREATED LIKE A THIEF BY SOMEONE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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I've had the gauges mounted for some time. Its been in for warranty with no problems. They did mention the gauges but it didn't seem to be a big deal for them. I would'nt flaunt the chip or module though. I now have the quad. I would remove it just like the manufactuerer recommends. It not that your hiding anything. You just don't want the chip/module interferring with their diagnoses.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by danc46
By the way, how can a well known and commonly used filter invalidate the WHOLE warranty on the vehicle? No where in the literature I received from Dodge on the purchase of my truck did I find a warning NOT to use an oil type filter?
It won't void your warranty, only on components that it damages just like any other modification. Just because it doesn't say not to use an oil type filter specifically, doesn't mean that you can. For example, a number of years ago there was a TSB that was released relating to oil filter usage. It was found that filters containing neoprene were causing engine damage. Chrysler stated that the use of any non approved oil filter would result in denial of the warranty claim. Somewhere in your warranty manual it should state that DC is not responsible for damage resulting from the use of non genuine mopar or mopar approved part. Unless it says somewhere that Chrysler approves the use of an oiled filter, then they don't.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 79warlock
..... Somewhere in your warranty manual it should state that DC is not responsible for damage resulting from the use of non genuine mopar or mopar approved part. Unless it says somewhere that Chrysler approves the use of an oiled filter, then they don't.
I've used K&N oil filters for years and never once had a problem. But here in is the rub - if it is equivalent to or better than an "approved part", they have to honor the warranty. If they say it caused the problem, then invalidate the warranty, it's up to you to prove other wise.
It can be done through the Better Business Bureau and their arbitration process without the use of a lawyer.
But who wants the hassle?
I'm not using cheap filters or cheap oil. Nor do I over oil the K&N filter. What I resent is the fact that some dealerships will use whatever means they can to make money wrongfully.
There are two sides of the coin. Some dealerships are far bigger thieves than the customers they cater too.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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Call it what you want to. Just remember, it's never wrong to do what's right.
Don't fall off that high horse...
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NB64
It not that your hiding anything. You just don't want the chip/module interferring with their diagnoses.
Now that's funny right there. True, but funny.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Well, what about a guy like me? I bought my CTD before I knew what the bolt in my manafold was. So when I go to the dealership then what? I do have a BDTD, but I only had it on for 3 days and a total of 10 or so miles. Odds are ill get screwed cause of what the guy before me had done to the truck.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CowboyDave
Well, what about a guy like me? I bought my CTD before I knew what the bolt in my manafold was. So when I go to the dealership then what? I do have a BDTD, but I only had it on for 3 days and a total of 10 or so miles. Odds are ill get screwed cause of what the guy before me had done to the truck.
But your truck is 4 years old...you are still within warranty on her? if so, you or whoever you bought the truck from doesn't drive enough! hehe just yankin yer chain man!
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