04.5 motor blown
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Ok kids we are pretty sure what the problems? Right? Now get over trying to rub somebody into the dirt and lets get on with fixing it. I know that everyone is not a genius, like most people think themselfs are, so lets get over is and get on with a fix!
Now have you got the head off the thing? You could be lucky and just have a vavle seat!! But I'd guess its a piston.
Now have you got the head off the thing? You could be lucky and just have a vavle seat!! But I'd guess its a piston.
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From: alberta
Ok kids we are pretty sure what the problems? Right? Now get over trying to rub somebody into the dirt and lets get on with fixing it. I know that everyone is not a genius, like most people think themselfs are, so lets get over is and get on with a fix!
Now have you got the head off the thing? You could be lucky and just have a vavle seat!! But I'd guess its a piston.
Now have you got the head off the thing? You could be lucky and just have a vavle seat!! But I'd guess its a piston.
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From: alberta
The point is simple.
Your truck didn't come with any defects. You modded it and bought a new engine.
Do you want to know what happened to your truck to prevent it from happening again? If so, why NOW after the damage is done-- instead of earlier when it could have been averted?
I probably shouldn't care-- it's not my money that's going up in smoke, right?
But I hate to see people go nuts bombing a truck without a clear understanding of the pros and cons of doing so.
So I'm forced to conclude that either:
1) You knew the potential consequences of running the product combination you have, and decided you could live with it, or
2) You didn't know the potential consequences, and proceeded in ignorance.
If the former, then no biggie-- you knew you were playing with fire, and this time you rolled the dice and lost. Fine-- lotsa fellas here have done the same thing and have the wallet pain to prove it.
If the latter, then you made a bad decision. It's one thing to come in saying "Hey guys, I gambled and lost."
It's another thing to say "did my mods cause this?" This indicates that you didn't really understand what modding can do to a truck, or exactly what your mods are capable of. Hence, you spent money when what you should have spent was time-- on websites like this one, making sure you fully understand the pros and cons of the various bombs you were considering.
You wind your truck up way past redline, dump all kinds of various computer boxes at it, and operate it WELL outside any design parameters, then want to play all ignorant and innocent when something goes wrong? Ignorant, perhaps-- but not innocent, if only because of not performing the due diligence.
That said, when this happens you do like everyone else would-- take your lumps, dust yourself off, and learn from the experience. (and in this case, write a check, too).
As the saying goes, good judgement comes from experience-- which comes from bad judgement.
Don't be all defensive-- just admit you had bad judgment and get on with it.
We've all had our bad judgment episodes-- just ask around and we'll all tell you ours
Your truck didn't come with any defects. You modded it and bought a new engine.
Do you want to know what happened to your truck to prevent it from happening again? If so, why NOW after the damage is done-- instead of earlier when it could have been averted?
I probably shouldn't care-- it's not my money that's going up in smoke, right?
But I hate to see people go nuts bombing a truck without a clear understanding of the pros and cons of doing so.
So I'm forced to conclude that either:
1) You knew the potential consequences of running the product combination you have, and decided you could live with it, or
2) You didn't know the potential consequences, and proceeded in ignorance.
If the former, then no biggie-- you knew you were playing with fire, and this time you rolled the dice and lost. Fine-- lotsa fellas here have done the same thing and have the wallet pain to prove it.
If the latter, then you made a bad decision. It's one thing to come in saying "Hey guys, I gambled and lost."
It's another thing to say "did my mods cause this?" This indicates that you didn't really understand what modding can do to a truck, or exactly what your mods are capable of. Hence, you spent money when what you should have spent was time-- on websites like this one, making sure you fully understand the pros and cons of the various bombs you were considering.
You wind your truck up way past redline, dump all kinds of various computer boxes at it, and operate it WELL outside any design parameters, then want to play all ignorant and innocent when something goes wrong? Ignorant, perhaps-- but not innocent, if only because of not performing the due diligence.
That said, when this happens you do like everyone else would-- take your lumps, dust yourself off, and learn from the experience. (and in this case, write a check, too).
As the saying goes, good judgement comes from experience-- which comes from bad judgement.
Don't be all defensive-- just admit you had bad judgment and get on with it.
We've all had our bad judgment episodes-- just ask around and we'll all tell you ours
everything you said is true but once again i have to say thanks for NOT helping me out with my TRUCK problem and trying to make me a better person..unfortunately for you i did'nt ask you to show me how so your wasting your breath. just so you know i did post on this website on stacking the ppe with the juice and did not get alot of feedback. i even emailed ppe and got no response.. so i appreciate your points but not when they are being shoved down my throat... sorry to the rest of you for having to read these posts. i generally don't like to go off like this but i feel it is deserved.
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From: VA beach
ya'll need to quite rubbing his face in the big "pile" ! he's not asking for a shoulder to cry on nor is he blaming you for his motor going boom. You say ask around here and read about different mods. there are actually very few people here who are willing to help figure different mods out . all I see "BIG dyno #s". no on willin to discuss how they got there in depth. the guy just ask for ya'lls opion about his motor not his decision to mod.
by the way,Reidsram what did you r compression test come up with?
by the way,Reidsram what did you r compression test come up with?
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Here is my take...
The Juice has alot of timing...the PPE Hot has even more. My guess is that you have EGT/Excessive Timing damage to the piston(s) and valves/seats.
You egt gauge may have never shown temps in the danger zone...because the timing was so great that the bulk of the temp remained inside of the cylinders...a result of excessive timing.
My best bet is you will be looking for a new short block/engine on ebay or spending a bunch to rebuild the current one.
Sorry it happened...
The Juice has alot of timing...the PPE Hot has even more. My guess is that you have EGT/Excessive Timing damage to the piston(s) and valves/seats.
You egt gauge may have never shown temps in the danger zone...because the timing was so great that the bulk of the temp remained inside of the cylinders...a result of excessive timing.
My best bet is you will be looking for a new short block/engine on ebay or spending a bunch to rebuild the current one.
Sorry it happened...
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From: VA beach
Here is my take...
The Juice has alot of timing...the PPE Hot has even more. My guess is that you have EGT/Excessive Timing damage to the piston(s) and valves/seats.
You egt gauge may have never shown temps in the danger zone...because the timing was so great that the bulk of the temp remained inside of the cylinders...a result of excessive timing.
My best bet is you will be looking for a new short block/engine on ebay or spending a bunch to rebuild the current one.
Sorry it happened...
The Juice has alot of timing...the PPE Hot has even more. My guess is that you have EGT/Excessive Timing damage to the piston(s) and valves/seats.
You egt gauge may have never shown temps in the danger zone...because the timing was so great that the bulk of the temp remained inside of the cylinders...a result of excessive timing.
My best bet is you will be looking for a new short block/engine on ebay or spending a bunch to rebuild the current one.
Sorry it happened...
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From: alberta
its funny you mention that the egt's would be high even though the gauge would read okay. i noticed right before it went boom that the egt's were high that normal (900) just cruising down the highway. i appreciate all the input into this. i like the juice because of all the gauge options but is it safe with any other boxes? what about running it with a smarty because you can run the smarty without timing?
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From: SoCal
Good luck with your truck brother. I am keeping my fingers crossed for ya!
If you are one of the guys who has kept his truck stock and looks forward to saying "I told you so" to guys who like to get up and play (mod their truck), stop hanging around the the "3rd Generation High Performance and Accessories" section.
Go find a forum that compares generators, sit-down lawn mowers, ice-makers, or something really exciting along those lines.
If you are one of the guys who has kept his truck stock and looks forward to saying "I told you so" to guys who like to get up and play (mod their truck), stop hanging around the the "3rd Generation High Performance and Accessories" section.
Go find a forum that compares generators, sit-down lawn mowers, ice-makers, or something really exciting along those lines.
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From: alberta
Good luck with your truck brother. I am keeping my fingers crossed for ya!
If you are one of the guys who has kept his truck stock and looks forward to saying "I told you so" to guys who like to get up and play (mod their truck), stop hanging around the the "3rd Generation High Performance and Accessories" section.
Go find a forum that compares generators, sit-down lawn mowers, ice-makers, or something really exciting along those lines.
If you are one of the guys who has kept his truck stock and looks forward to saying "I told you so" to guys who like to get up and play (mod their truck), stop hanging around the the "3rd Generation High Performance and Accessories" section.
Go find a forum that compares generators, sit-down lawn mowers, ice-makers, or something really exciting along those lines.
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From: Harpers Ferry WV
a smarty won't stack with a edge juice the smarty will load and work but the juice will not change any of the settings. i would have to say you burnt a piston or two out with the excessive timing.
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From: Cummins Technical Center, IN
wow some people go to great lengths to prove a point everything you said is true but once again i have to say thanks for NOT helping me out with my TRUCK problem and trying to make me a better person..unfortunately for you i did'nt ask you to show me how so your wasting your breath. just so you know i did post on this website on stacking the ppe with the juice and did not get alot of feedback. i even emailed ppe and got no response.. so i appreciate your points but not when they are being shoved down my throat... sorry to the rest of you for having to read these posts. i generally don't like to go off like this but i feel it is deserved.
everything you said is true but once again i have to say thanks for NOT helping me out with my TRUCK problem and trying to make me a better person..unfortunately for you i did'nt ask you to show me how so your wasting your breath. just so you know i did post on this website on stacking the ppe with the juice and did not get alot of feedback. i even emailed ppe and got no response.. so i appreciate your points but not when they are being shoved down my throat... sorry to the rest of you for having to read these posts. i generally don't like to go off like this but i feel it is deserved.Anyhow, get that sucker running meaner than ever and let know how it hauls!
My apologies to you and to the forum as well. I guess I'm the cranky old timer lately!
Good luck and God speed..
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From: Liberty Hill, Tx
This has nothing to do with the blown motor but i looked at your movies of the pulls and was wanting to know what the sparks comming from under your engine are?
and for the mods i had a ford that i just superchiped and had all kinds of problems so i and scared to even look at another programmer / chip. i blow my turbo and my rear seal. and yes before HOHN says it i didn't research it but i didn't think that a little programmer could do so much harm. I had to kick you while you were down HOHN
So if i am wrong about not wanting to mod my dodge than i would love for someone to let me know which one is the best to have for a daily driver and haul big on the weekends??
and for the mods i had a ford that i just superchiped and had all kinds of problems so i and scared to even look at another programmer / chip. i blow my turbo and my rear seal. and yes before HOHN says it i didn't research it but i didn't think that a little programmer could do so much harm. I had to kick you while you were down HOHN
So if i am wrong about not wanting to mod my dodge than i would love for someone to let me know which one is the best to have for a daily driver and haul big on the weekends??