From the looks of it the 6.4L is done......already.

Navistar has stopped production of the 6.4L.......


http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...c=66&type=qcna

 

Stick a fork in Ford, they are gone

 

The local ford dealer just got a new 6.4 superduty in.....me and a couple of my buddies are going to pop the hood and play "find the engine".

 

Whats interesting about it?

The fact that its OEM?

 

D'oh, missed this post...

LOL @ "Find the Engine"

 

This was direct from a ford rep at the car show I was at last weekend. "Ford and Navistar have been having some disagreement regarding warranty issues on the current powerstroke offerings. The dissagreement should be ironed out in the near future. We have plenty of motors in the channel to fufil all current obligations" What the word on the street is saying, Navistar is reneging on warranty claims on the 6.0. Navistar told Ford that this engine wasnt good for automotive use from the begining. Ford is telling Navistar that it wont buy anymore engines unless it honours existing warranty issues

Kevin

 

Just wanted to clarify...ford's twins ARE a sequential setup....

 

Actually Dodge isn't doing too well either. Navistar stopping the 6.4L might not be a bad thing at all. Unless you have stock in DC... If Ford puts a better motor in the SD then they would be very hard to beat.

Now, I have a 6.0 F350. I liked the Cumins better, a lot better. But the Dodge truck was a disgrace to the motor. Plus try as I might, Dodge made it so difficult for me to get what I wanted that I gave up. Actually what I really wanted was a long bed megacab. I was looking for a family horse camping rig with all the comforts to keep the boys (older) and wife happy on the road. A long bed was a must. We checked out the quadcab and it was tight in the rear.
I could not find a fully loaded SRW, QC, LB 3500 (or 2500) truck in a lot. I checked with a about a dozen. They just don't supply them to dealers. They had lots of trucks, just not the right configurations. They would order one for me with a fairly long delivery date (I might not have it now...) but no deals. I ended up with the Ford for about the same price and they threw in a bunch of extras (warrantee,lojack,new tires, 0% financing). It was hard to beat. Plus they had enough to choose colors, which made the wife very happy.

The design of the Dodge truck itself was not integrated at all. The electrical system was poorly thought out. It seemed like towing was an afterthought!

By contrast, it amazes me just how well thought out the SD is. It is very comfy and being later in life and having some spinal difficulties, that is important to me. So, we ended up with the Ford. It shifted weird at first but after the adaptive system goes through its paces it now shifts great. We have had no problems at all (I did get a 7/yr 100k total warrantee though!). I would hate to have to work on this one. The 6.0 looks like a nightmare to work on. I can't believe the 6.4 could be worse! But the 6.0 pulls us all up the hills just fine. Mine kicks out between traffic just fine. I am definately not into stoplight racing pickups though. I think that is silly. I have a couple of two seater ragtops for that action I didn't want a 6.4. I got a 06 6.0 and it seems they finally got it tamed.

I hope the new Dodge works out and I hope Ford goes to a different motor.
Otherwise Chevy will just keep raising their price and not fixing any bugs

 

If you want a Mega Cab with an 8ft bed, go here.

http://www.bennyboyd.com/index.html?....bennyboyd.com

They can arrange the stretch with the originator of the stretch. Not to expensive either.

Dave

 

Sorry, I've been busy - But: I miss spoke and used the wrong designation (3406) please shoot me now.

If you check with CAT they were late with their 2007 certifications. Dual turbos are a necessary part of that certification. Further, CAT is a world wide manufacturer. The 2007 Regs in the U.S. were not their only concern. If nothing more CAT like all manufacturers is looking to 2010 when it gets even tougher.

It would make little sense to aim for 2007 then be forced to reset your sights for 2010. The manufacturers have targeted 2010 with the ability to pickup 2007, The European, Japanese and Australian standards along the way.

As for the Navistar engine in true medium duty Fords. There is no contract for that. The contract is for the Navistar engine in light duty trucks only. Navistar's medium duty engines are part of a vertical integration scheme. They are not shared with any other manufacturers. Ford and most medium duty manufacturers would probably kill for the old DT466 but it is not available outside Navistar. Cummins and CAT do not manufacture highway vehicles. Therefore, their engines are available for sale to all manfactureres that want them.

The fact the 444E is not in medium duty Fords means absolutely nothing. Navistar is strong in medium duty and it's engines are a big part of that. The 444E is a common engine in conventional Navistar school bus chassis. If it were crap it would not be spec'ed. Districts do not want little johnnie stuck on the side of the road.

You will also find with the 444E horsepower ratings are not as high. The same is true of the Cummins B Series in commercial applications. Pickup truck usage is classed with motor homes - intermittent. You can bump up hp because on "Average" the vehicle will not work that much. Fire trucks are also classified in this manner and are also over powered.

In commercial applications the engine is in continuous operation. Even school busses must start everyday, rain or shine and run their routes. They run trips when required, whatever the call. I am in L.A.. I have not seen one B Series powered school bus while Navistars with both the 444E and DT466 are common here. If the Navistar were junk the second largest school district in the country as well as the other 86 cities in the county would do better. The money is there. The taxpayers do not control the spec now.

I began in school busses and later moved to heavy trucks. Medium duty vehicles frequently share a duty cycle similar to that of heavy trucks. I have done 10 -18 hour days in both for weeks at a time.

The problem I see is a narrow view. When I was in busses we bought 4 Thomas coaches with VT 225's (Cummins). All of the drivers hated them. Our fleet was Detroit and Cat with a few N Series Cummins (App. 1000 vehicles). Driver acceptance was such a problem that, as the assistant head of training, I was told to look into it. I drove all of the coaches, spoke with Cummins and our shop people. My Conclusion was: The only problem with the Cummins VT 225's was that they were not Detroit 6-71's.

To a great extent that is what I see in the Navistar vs B Series dabates. People like what they like.

 

This is true. But from my stand point I have to buy for the long run. Running 90,000 t 100,000 miles per year, I need longevity, ease of maintenace, lower maintenace cost, and dependability. The cummins is the true winner in this category, speaking in 2500 to 3500 trucks.

If you were to look at the oil field hot shot service companies here in south Texas, I would be honest to say Dodge cummins has a 75% market share.

Why?

Longevity
Ease of maintenace
Lower maintenace cost
Dependability

Do I like Ford? Yes
Do I like chey? Not really

If I really thought buying a Ford with a 6.0 or a 6.4 or een the 7.3 would serve my needs better, I would sure buy one. But the fact of the matter is - it wont.

I am actually seeing a larger number of Duramax's "truck'in" up and down the road than than 6.0's or 6.4's.

If I was going to tow the rv or the boat once in a while, and trade in before the warrranty is up, the PSD would be a nice truck to have.

You can beat me up the hill, you can beat to the next light, but I'll beat you to 400,00 miles.

 

I'll tell you my idea of what I believe would be a rock solid truck

Ford truck
5.9 cummins
Allison tranny
and any of the big 3's axles. I don't think anyone is having trouble with driveline behind tran

This combo is proven dependable. I don't think they could make them fast enough.

 

As long as Cummins can make the same power and torque as Ford and GM using only 6 cylinders compared to their 8, I'll stick with Cummins.

 

The ford is using a 5sp automatic...

i traded my 04.5 Cummins on a 6.4l. I am plenty happy with my 6.4L after almost 3k miles put on it since i bought it July 2.

To the guy comparing the prices of the new ford to the dodge laramie...

Take a look at what you can get on a fully loaded ford and what you get on a fully loaded dodge..

I would have bought a mega cab 6.7 but the interior and many features on the dodge are just dated. In 09 dodge needs to step up to the plate.

I enjoy my integrated brake controller, automatic headlights, driver information center, digital AC controls, radio/Air controls on the steering wheel, big back seat, comfortable leather seats, standard locking tailgate, power telescoping and power folding trailer tow mirrors, etc. The ford interior has a huge advantage over the dodge interior. I cant wait to see what dodge puts out in 09

 

That thing can't lose 80 horse but only 20lb-ft through the drive train. Shift spike, or something caused it to read high. It likely lost around 90-110 or so lb-ft, not just 20.
No.
I agree, but not on the trans. I don't see why everyone seems to think so highly of the Allison. The TorqShift behind the Fords is probably the best out of all three of them, at least from the factory.