New Tires = No Warranty!!!
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I should have learned my lesson by now, but I feel the need to make a comment about the Magnusson-Moss act. Many of you are somewhat confused about what it really means. I know a lot of people like to preach Magnusson-Moss, but how many people have read the whole thing? I have. The part of Magnusson-Moss many people refer to is the tie in sales clause. This says that a manufacturer can not deny warranty to a customer if they do not use O.E.M. replacement parts that meet O.E.M. specs. It does not say that you can modify the original specs of the vehicle beyond what the factory designed it for and still expect warranty. That is obsurd. If Dodge designed, built, and warrantied a truck to run 325hp and you run it at 400hp, that is not their problem, and you should not expect Dodge to do anything, all though at my dealership, we have not denied warranty for things of this nature.
Now, if you wanted to put a more aggresive tread tire on your truck but stuck with the factory size, you be fine, because you are within the fctory specs, and that is what Magnusson-Moss is protecting. But if you go to 315's you are beyond factory specs, and Magnusson-Moss is out the window at that point.
People sure like to throw magnusson-moss around, but many have never read it. I recently saw a website for an aftermarket diesel engine performance enhancer that claimed to "add up to 75hp and 3 mpg and it does not void your factory warranty due to the magnusson-moss act". That is exactly what it said. In my opinion somebody ought to sue the pants off of that company. M-M has nothing to do with 75hp performance chips.
OK, flame on.................
Now, if you wanted to put a more aggresive tread tire on your truck but stuck with the factory size, you be fine, because you are within the fctory specs, and that is what Magnusson-Moss is protecting. But if you go to 315's you are beyond factory specs, and Magnusson-Moss is out the window at that point.
People sure like to throw magnusson-moss around, but many have never read it. I recently saw a website for an aftermarket diesel engine performance enhancer that claimed to "add up to 75hp and 3 mpg and it does not void your factory warranty due to the magnusson-moss act". That is exactly what it said. In my opinion somebody ought to sue the pants off of that company. M-M has nothing to do with 75hp performance chips.
OK, flame on.................
Thanks for posting some actual facts. Myself, like I'm sure alot of us, have never really read any of this actual 'contract stuff', so we just go by the "we bought a $40,000 truck and want it fixed anyway" statement. I just wished they built them better. Thanks for the post. It was very informative. And I agree that the "75 hp chip that doens't void warrenty" claim is absurd!
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I should have learned my lesson by now, but I feel the need to make a comment about the Magnusson-Moss act. Many of you are somewhat confused about what it really means. I know a lot of people like to preach Magnusson-Moss, but how many people have read the whole thing? I have. The part of Magnusson-Moss many people refer to is the tie in sales clause. This says that a manufacturer can not deny warranty to a customer if they do not use O.E.M. replacement parts that meet O.E.M. specs. It does not say that you can modify the original specs of the vehicle beyond what the factory designed it for and still expect warranty. That is obsurd. If Dodge designed, built, and warrantied a truck to run 325hp and you run it at 400hp, that is not their problem, and you should not expect Dodge to do anything, all though at my dealership, we have not denied warranty for things of this nature.
Now, if you wanted to put a more aggresive tread tire on your truck but stuck with the factory size, you be fine, because you are within the fctory specs, and that is what Magnusson-Moss is protecting. But if you go to 315's you are beyond factory specs, and Magnusson-Moss is out the window at that point.
People sure like to throw magnusson-moss around, but many have never read it. I recently saw a website for an aftermarket diesel engine performance enhancer that claimed to "add up to 75hp and 3 mpg and it does not void your factory warranty due to the magnusson-moss act". That is exactly what it said. In my opinion somebody ought to sue the pants off of that company. M-M has nothing to do with 75hp performance chips.
OK, flame on.................
Now, if you wanted to put a more aggresive tread tire on your truck but stuck with the factory size, you be fine, because you are within the fctory specs, and that is what Magnusson-Moss is protecting. But if you go to 315's you are beyond factory specs, and Magnusson-Moss is out the window at that point.
People sure like to throw magnusson-moss around, but many have never read it. I recently saw a website for an aftermarket diesel engine performance enhancer that claimed to "add up to 75hp and 3 mpg and it does not void your factory warranty due to the magnusson-moss act". That is exactly what it said. In my opinion somebody ought to sue the pants off of that company. M-M has nothing to do with 75hp performance chips.
OK, flame on.................
I understand what you are saying as a dealer. But for any dealer to tell any customer that a 285 tire is the same as a bully dog chip is pure crap.
A 285 tire does not have anything to do with the motor at all. And if they can reprogram the computer for them, Then what problems will the tires really cause? Because DC most have thought that people would be changing tire size or they wouldn't have made provisions in the stock computer to accomadate the 285 tires.
I'm not trying to cheat the dealer. thats why I'm not modding the truck as far as performace is concerned untill my warr is up. But this is my work truck and I sometimes I do need to go offroad to get to some job sites and the stock tires don't cut it.
I guess I should have bought a DMAX GM doesn't try to to pull this stuff.
TIRES GIVE ME A BREAK.
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Don't you guys think all this void warranty for what ever reason comes from the top? After all the american car manufactors are trying to crunch #'s to survive the compition of the Imports. It's all about the $$$ & in the last few yrs I've seen more posts like this. This leads me to believe the big three are looking for ways to cut some of their losses. If Toyota comes out with a heavy duty diesel p/u watch out Ford, Chevy, & Dodge.
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I can say that my dealer does not care about tire mods, they went ahead and adjusted the tire diam. . I also had the asked them before about my warranty because of the other mods like the air box, muffler, chip(at the time it was on) they said no, because everything that was done just made the truck breath better. But I do buy many company trucks there. I was told that I cleared some codes and the service manager covered his ears and said don't do that because that will void the warranty, and if you do clear them keep it between yourself and your truck. Just my past experience.
In fact there is a 2005 with big tires, bullydog, stacks and a couple other mods I cannot remember off hand, for sale, and the window sticker says a full warranty comes with the truck.
So I think it is more or less a dealer thing, and who looks the other way.
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In fact there is a 2005 with big tires, bullydog, stacks and a couple other mods I cannot remember off hand, for sale, and the window sticker says a full warranty comes with the truck.
So I think it is more or less a dealer thing, and who looks the other way.
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Once Toyota builds a diesel I think that is when GM, Ford and Dodge will really pay for not building trucks they can stand behind. My lifted Toyota Landcruiser first never had an issue! And at that the dealer never gave my grief about it. In 2009 when Toyota comes out with there Diesel I think they (US truck co.) underestimate just how many will switch becuase of issues like the ones listed on this forum. And the truth is Toyota is just as american as Dodge is now...
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Blackbird wrote" Well the parts department guy wanted to see my truck, so I took him out to it. And he says you know with those tires on there it voids your warranty."
Who the heck cares what a parts guy thinks? I thought it was the SM who can say what you do to your truck that may void the warranty not the parts guy! I would only worry if the SM tells you that he and or DC may void part of your warranty but not all of it.
Who the heck cares what a parts guy thinks? I thought it was the SM who can say what you do to your truck that may void the warranty not the parts guy! I would only worry if the SM tells you that he and or DC may void part of your warranty but not all of it.
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Hey Blackbird---I am from Nashville (over west of Charlotte)--Take your truck to Classic Dodge in Hastings or Wayland Dodge in Wayland---they will treat you right--
I don't anymore with the 06 but have had three other trucks with all kinds of aftermarket stuff including bigger tires and was never hassled by either of them.
Be sure to let those idiots know you will spread the word !!
I don't anymore with the 06 but have had three other trucks with all kinds of aftermarket stuff including bigger tires and was never hassled by either of them.
Be sure to let those idiots know you will spread the word !!
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Not you guys, the local service managers, and blowhard mechanics.
If the truck is rated for the 15000# 5th wheel (mine is 13000#), it won't be on warranty with anything other than stock (or smaller) diamter tires. R U gonna lug that on 33's, probably not, you're smarter then that. We all are. Put what you want on your trucks and compensate for max towing weight with calulation and common sense. We run into blow hards everywhere in life. (The Boss, Mother In Law's, the fat Broad at the DMV) Tell the service manager you don't want the blowhard wrench money touching your unit. "I've brought my unit in to have the ECM reflashed to correct the speedo for the new rubber I bought. How much do you charge for this?" "Larger tires will void your warranty" "Thank you for that speach Mr. President, shall i take my buisness elsewhere? Actaully that was a retorical question because your speach was so moving I've decided to do the same with my buisness." Until you get the answer "That only takes 10 minutes, how does 35 bucks sound." Keep goin. I guess I'm happy with my Local guy because in some places "The Customer is Always Right". Don't take that to mean I can get away with murder. He tells me there is a line where his hands are tied, but I would rather hear, "Sir do you tow with this unit? You know with the larger tires you bought, you are going to have a somewhat reduced towing capacity. Dodge won't be able to warrant your tranny if you want to tow at full capacity with this driveline configuration change. If you get me your VIN# we can look up your build data and figure out if you are going to hurting anything." Service, Service, Service. Where is it today!?!?! Don't take any crap off em fellas.
If the truck is rated for the 15000# 5th wheel (mine is 13000#), it won't be on warranty with anything other than stock (or smaller) diamter tires. R U gonna lug that on 33's, probably not, you're smarter then that. We all are. Put what you want on your trucks and compensate for max towing weight with calulation and common sense. We run into blow hards everywhere in life. (The Boss, Mother In Law's, the fat Broad at the DMV) Tell the service manager you don't want the blowhard wrench money touching your unit. "I've brought my unit in to have the ECM reflashed to correct the speedo for the new rubber I bought. How much do you charge for this?" "Larger tires will void your warranty" "Thank you for that speach Mr. President, shall i take my buisness elsewhere? Actaully that was a retorical question because your speach was so moving I've decided to do the same with my buisness." Until you get the answer "That only takes 10 minutes, how does 35 bucks sound." Keep goin. I guess I'm happy with my Local guy because in some places "The Customer is Always Right". Don't take that to mean I can get away with murder. He tells me there is a line where his hands are tied, but I would rather hear, "Sir do you tow with this unit? You know with the larger tires you bought, you are going to have a somewhat reduced towing capacity. Dodge won't be able to warrant your tranny if you want to tow at full capacity with this driveline configuration change. If you get me your VIN# we can look up your build data and figure out if you are going to hurting anything." Service, Service, Service. Where is it today!?!?! Don't take any crap off em fellas.
The dealership I bought my 05 tried to get me to put 50HP injectors and an Edge box before they started the prep! How can that dealer at that point void my warranty?
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Once Toyota builds a diesel I think that is when GM, Ford and Dodge will really pay for not building trucks they can stand behind. My lifted Toyota Landcruiser first never had an issue! And at that the dealer never gave my grief about it. In 2009 when Toyota comes out with there Diesel I think they (US truck co.) underestimate just how many will switch becuase of issues like the ones listed on this forum. And the truth is Toyota is just as american as Dodge is now...
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oh no!!!
a cat diesel motor could be cool though...
Luke S
got a question for you? at some dealers down here you can get lifted trucks from the dealer...including: lift kits, bigger tires, aftermarket wheels etc. is it possible that could void your warranty? i can see the dealer you bought it at taking care of the business but if your 1000 miles from home and your tranny blows up, can a dealer refuse to fix it becuase it is lifted? not trying to be a pita just wondering?
brett
a cat diesel motor could be cool though...
Luke S
got a question for you? at some dealers down here you can get lifted trucks from the dealer...including: lift kits, bigger tires, aftermarket wheels etc. is it possible that could void your warranty? i can see the dealer you bought it at taking care of the business but if your 1000 miles from home and your tranny blows up, can a dealer refuse to fix it becuase it is lifted? not trying to be a pita just wondering?
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oh no!!!
a cat diesel motor could be cool though...
Luke S
got a question for you? at some dealers down here you can get lifted trucks from the dealer...including: lift kits, bigger tires, aftermarket wheels etc. is it possible that could void your warranty? i can see the dealer you bought it at taking care of the business but if your 1000 miles from home and your tranny blows up, can a dealer refuse to fix it becuase it is lifted? not trying to be a pita just wondering?
brett
a cat diesel motor could be cool though...
Luke S
got a question for you? at some dealers down here you can get lifted trucks from the dealer...including: lift kits, bigger tires, aftermarket wheels etc. is it possible that could void your warranty? i can see the dealer you bought it at taking care of the business but if your 1000 miles from home and your tranny blows up, can a dealer refuse to fix it becuase it is lifted? not trying to be a pita just wondering?
brett
We're not talking a tire a size or two bigger or a little wider, but oversize tires and high hp mods.
