Hell yah, screw the dealer before they screw you.....oh wait.. you already bought a truck... 90% of us got screwed already..... time for payback. A dealer tried to void my warranty because I didn't buy my performance box from them. Dealers dig deep into our pockets for everything they can..at every opportunity. Look at all the idio-- I mean mentally challenged people that don't change their own drivetrain fluids.... the dealer charges them ridiculously high prices...up to $500 that I've seen for about 20minutes of labor and about $60 in fluids. So who's screwing who? The dealer gets paid with warranty work anyway.... they aren't losing crap. Granted they make more money by denying you...... well.....I guess I just proved my point... they will deny at any opportunity...it just gives them the upper hand to once again play screw the consumer...

 

The company says that if you modify their product, you void the warranty. Now I know the rules: No ambiguity--these are the rules. And there is no ambiguity on my part. I will follow the rules and expect the warranty to be honored should it be needed. I would suggest that others who don't understand that don't understand what it means to be honorable.

 

You play you pay. Now, in my case, where the factory lift pump failed (as it's supposed to on the 2nd gens) and I put a fuel pressure gauge on it, is it right for them to void my warranty because of the gauge? No. But they tried. Then they tried to void my warranty because of my sound system. Sorry, but that's wrong to. Then they blamed my aftermarket fuel pump for my cruise control failing. Sorry, wrong again.

 

Could this whole thing be caused by modifying our trucks and trying to hide it to begin with... If we were all honest and went into a dealer and told them yea I have a box on it so charge me for the repair those of us who don't mod our trucks would probably not have so many problems getting warrranty work done.

this may be a little long but a good story...

In Los Angeles a few years back a transient took a shopping cart from a market. The markets in the area got tired of loosing their $300.00 shopping carts and asked the police to do something about it.

2 officers on bike stoped this transient for the shopping cart.. Durnig the encounter the transiet pulled out a screwdriver and advenced on the officer. He fell down and was tangled in his bike as the transiant was still approaching. he pulled his gun it went off and the transient was killed.

The whole city cried out and denounced the police for shooting someone over a shopping cart, (actually she was shot for attacking a police officer but that isn't the point of the story). why harrass someone over a shopping cart...

Those same people were asked "if your kids bike was stolen and the police saw it would you want them to stop the person and get the bike back"

EVERYONE said yes that is your job... then when asked "whats the difference between your bike and a shopping cart?" most answered the market can afford it...

I guess my answer to this is stealing is stealing ... Fraud is fraud...

It doesn't matter whether it is the little guy steeling from the Big guy cause they can afford it, or the big guy stealing from the little guy..

 

It is all about honesty and integrity....either you have it, or you don't.

I expect warranty work to be covered, anything I damage is MY fault and asking someone else to pay for it is nothing less than thievery.

 

Sorry boss, I just don't buy into the black and white of that.

With my brothers and sisters in the military, my honor and my integrity are above reproach. I would gladly lay down my life for any of them in time of need. Heck, I'd volunteer for a third tour in Iraq, but I am just a bit old for an Army Infantryman. (No, I am not in the Army, but that isn't the point.)

Now dealing with corporate America......now that is another story.

They have been turning their backs on us (the consumers) and their employees for years in the chase for the mighty dollar. They knowingly cut corners on things and try to slide through with them until they are caught. Then they back pedal, issue a TSB (or a recall, or some other thing), and hope that not many people find out about them so they don't have to pay.

Having said that, no...I don't think two wrongs make a right (but three rights make a left in Jersey!!). But I do believe, what goes around, comes around. You spend enough time trying to screw people over, and you in turn will get screwed over.

Some may call this moral relativism, but I call it honor. You treat and work with me honorably, I will do the same for you. Try to screw me over, it's on!!!

 

This pretty much sums it up for me.

 

Is it considered thievery when Dodge is charging $1100 for leather seats, only to find out later after you get your truck home, that it's actually 80 % vinyl with some crappy leather inserts. The entire rear seat is vinyl for crying out loud. Is that ethical?

How about charging $37 for a Mopar fuel filter, only to find the same thing at the local Cummins store for $12. Is that ethical?

The manufacturers are notorious for screwing hard working peolpe out of warranty work that should be covered.

Everyone has their own level of honesty and integrity. Have you never driven 75-80 in a 65 mph zone? Have you never floated a stop sign when you were in a big hurry.

Some folks are more honest than others, I'll agree, but some are simply "self-righteous".

 

Sounds like misrepresentation, but then it is up to YOU as the consumer to make yourself aware of what you are buying.

Nothing wrong with that, the entire free enterprise system is set up on buying low and selling high, it is up to you to decide on whether you wish to pay that price or go elsewhere. If a Vendor or Dealer can not make a profit, he can not stay in business and provide you with the products you want.

Happens all the time and it isn't right, But if you stoop to their level then you are no better than them. As I stated, warranty work should be covered, but if you cause the damage by something you have done, it is YOUR fault.

Of course I have, but then we are not talking about "traffic violations, we are talking about stealing something you know you are not entitled to. Lets talk Apples to Apples here.

Call it what you will, I personally will not lower my standards to become just like the ones that have you so upset. You call them thieves, yet you wish to act just like them? I do not see the logic in that.

If I thought it was OK to make YOU pay for something I broke, you would never go for it. Yet you argue that it is OK to do it someone else, just because it is a Corporation?

Somehow I don't think that is how you really feel, more likely you just haven't considered that in the end it is still stealing.

 

Well, you're somewhat right Larry. The thing is, that I don't have anything done to my truck...yet. But I'm just trying to see where I might be if I was in that situation. It's great to be honest. But if I had a Quad box installed for instance, and something serious went wrong that I truly felt wasn't due to driving the truck like a maniac or due to the box, I'd probably take the box out and try not to alert the dealer that I had one installed, out of pure fear of having my warranty voided altogether, which wouldn't be right at all, at least not to me.

 

And Larry, as far as your "apples to apples" comment goes, all I was trying to suggest is that we're talking about basic honesty.

Do you speed and float stop signs? You answered yes!

That's dishonest just like trying to pull a fast one on the dealer. People will try to justify speeding and floating a stop sign, just as people will try to justify the topic at hand.

If you slow down when you see the policeman with his radar gun so you don't get tagged, does that make you a thief because you tried to keep from getting caught?

 

You still don't understand that traffic violations are not the same thing as stealing. I have been ticketed for speeding, though not since 1985, but I paid those fines and "Stole" nothing from anybody. Traffic violations are not a matter of honesty, but a matter of self discipline. I knew that speeding could cost me a ticket, and I paid the price myself, I did not expect YOU to pay the ticket for me.

Let me put this in simpler terms so that perhaps you can more readily understand what I am trying to say. You buy a truck that has a warranty on it, this warranty covers the configuration of the vehicle as you receive it from the dealer.

That means they "guarantee" it within certain parameters, with Horsepower and torque being within those parameters. If you bump the HP up 150 horses and toast the clutch, who's fault is that? yours or the manufacturer??

Is it fair to expect the manufacturer to eat the cost of replacing that clutch, just because you can remove the box and pretend it wasn't on there?. Of course not, I know you won't argue that point, but that is what this thread is about.

Many people try to get away with it, the question is if it is right? I don't think so, and it causes higher costs to the rest of us down the line. The manufacturer is NOT going to lose money on his products, so he raises the cost and you and I pay more.

Now on the other hand if the same truck has a power steering pump go out on it, then we would agree that should be covered by warranty. The same thing if the A/C goes out and so on....

It would be no different than if I paid you to build me a shelf that would hold a maximum weight of 350lbs or Scotty's head Then I cause it to collapse because I placed 700lbs on the shelf, knowing that was not what you designed the shelf to hold.

Would I be right in removing the extra 350 lbs of weight and then calling you to come fix the shelf for free? I could pretend I never overloaded the shelf, and you would have to spend your money to fix my mistake.

That is "Stealing" and NOT in the same context as my getting a ticket for going 6 miles over the speed limit. I know this is a simplistic example but it is exactly the same thing as what some guys are doing and the question of this thread.

 

Just to throw in my 2cents. I am with the middle line on this one. I have mods but they directly effect only certain parts of the truck. If i frag my turbo or tranny with extra power I am looking at the bill myself. However dealers have tried to pin failures on parts totally non related. Heard stories of turbos not covered by oversize tires and such. Not a monster truck,just slightly oversize. These rigs are made for towing so the extra bit of drag should not make a difference. So if it was a non drivetrain problem I would probubly pull the mods to avoid rejection. If it is a "moral" thing I have no problem sleeping at night if I remove the mods for some totally unrelated problem.

 

Sure I understand the difference. Above you stated "that it's all about honesty and integrity" or something similar. If you're speeding and you purposely try to avoid being caught on radar, then that's showing dishonesty. Running the stop sign is showing dishonesty the same way: You're breaking the law knowingly.

Trying to cover up a performance related problem on the truck to avoid having warranty work denied is also dishonest.

People cheat on their tax return. The govt. takes too much of their taxes anyway, so if they have not disclosed some monies, tips etc, they can justify it in their own mind, because the govt is already taxing them too much. Sure, you may call that thievery too, and maybe it is, but millions do it and feel justified in doing so.

Anyway you look at it, it's a matter of being honest. So if someone is truly that self righteous, they would never ever break any laws. But that's impossible. If I remember right, only one man ever went without breaking laws and sinning, and the same man said that no sin is greater than another.

So is there truly any difference in these forms of honesty? Sure! One has the potential for thievery, in your opinion. And this was a poll.

 

What I said was, It is all about Honesty and integrity, either you have it, or you don't.

Thank you for proving my point so eloquently