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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 09:42 PM
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My truck is at the dodge house here in el paso and they are telling me that my truck needs a lift pump and that my truck has a mechanical one which they dont make anymore so they said that they need to convert it to the electrical one, bill is at $1100 what gets me is that they dropped the fuel tank in the truck, what is goin on??? truck did not run at all when i dropped it off
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 10:08 PM
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Get your truck out of there... NOW

then, call Lary at the DTR store, and get yourself an airdog lift pump

then, call a vendor of your choice, and get the new VP44 pump that your codes told me you need

Then install your own lift pump, and if you run into grief with the VP44 install, IM me, or look up Diesel Dan's how to on here.

Don't give them a bunch of coin, when it won't solve your entire problem.

The 24v secnod gen trucks had electric lift pumps from the factory, and they were NOT located in the tank. Their take on this raises red flags all over the place.

Good luck
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Old Nov 26, 2008 | 11:00 PM
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Definately get it outta there and do it yourself.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 12:35 AM
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I had a very similar problem. Aparently there is some sort of kit that is supposed to eliminate the problem of faulty factory lift pumps. Anyways the kit gets rid of the lift pump on the block and relocates it in the fuel tank. My truck had the same thing when i bought it. It sucks. I ended up having to put the stock lift pump back on the block where it belongs becasue I wasnt getting near enough pressure going to the IP. I dont really know if thats the same thing you are experiancing but maybe thats why they dropped the fuel tank.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Unless you are planning to add big power the only downside to the tank relocation kit is that the new pump will be harder to change next time around.

Bob
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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you all still think that i will need a new vp44 or you think that will fix my problem
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 91.5 beater
My truck is at the dodge house here in el paso and they are telling me that my truck needs a lift pump and that my truck has a mechanical one which they dont make anymore so they said that they need to convert it to the electrical one, bill is at $1100 what gets me is that they dropped the fuel tank in the truck, what is goin on??? truck did not run at all when i dropped it off

you all still think that i will need a new vp44 or you think that will fix my problem (???)
I have a '99. It has the same electrical lift pump that it came with new. I don't know of any '99 Dodge diesel trucks that had a mechanical lift pump. I personally wouldn't let them put one in the tank. You can buy a FASS for less money than they're going to charge. Your first post refers to a lift pump, and your second post refers to the injector pump (VP44). I'm unclear which the dealer said you need at this point.
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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The dealer is going to take you across the coals run with the truck quick
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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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I am talkin about the lift pump, but since it died do you think i need a new vp44 or do you think it survived, the truck died and started back up with a rough idle about 400 rpm and then died started and did the same thing a few other times and now wont start at all, codes that came up p1688 and p0252, one of my friends had these same codes come up and it didn't turn out to be an injection or lift pump, his chip blew, i took my chip and programmer off and still no start
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 91.5 beater
I am talkin about the lift pump, but since it died do you think i need a new vp44 or do you think it survived, the truck died and started back up with a rough idle about 400 rpm and then died started and did the same thing a few other times and now wont start at all, codes that came up p1688 and p0252, one of my friends had these same codes come up and it didn't turn out to be an injection or lift pump, his chip blew, i took my chip and programmer off and still no start
http://www.bluechipdiesel.com/vp44diagnostichelp.html

This may help with your troubleshooting. If the dealer dropped your tank to troubleshoot your lift pump, you need to get your truck out of there. They don't seem to know much about the Rams with CTD engines. If they're charging $1,100 for a lift pump R&R, you could have spent $600 on a FASS system, and had someone local install it. The 1688 code is not hopeful. Sorry you're having these troubles.
PS, I'd fight them pretty vigorously about any labor charges incurred dropping the tank, since the DODGE FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL is pretty clear regarding the location of the pump.
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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I may have an issue with my truck I don't know about yet, but when I ran my 02 out of fuel I got either a 1688 or 1689 so you might be ok.
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Pump was bad got a pump from a salvage yard off my buddys brothers old truck with 40k on it and got it up and runnin for 800 bucks, im gonna fight the dodge house about that lift pump
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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Mine Died and well RIP first VP then Rip Second VP
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