I'm lookin for a used VE pump for my friends truck since the VE he had has some problems and got it resealed and still won't run and we know its the pump because it won't pop off the injectors with the FSS out. So I found two guys on compd that said they had running industrial pumps they would sell for cheap.

I called the one guy and he said he had a 12 valve 5.9 cummins motor with a reman VE pump on it that he would sell. He said it came out of a single axle freightliner truck. He thought it was rated at 167hp and he said the numbers on the pump were:

Cummins Recon
391616947 RX
N120998146
N
3-II

He said that it had a tag on it saying it was a reman pump and that a bearing went out on the motor and it ran before so the pump should still be good. He said that the motors are a little bit different and that they have the sump in the front of the motor instead of the back like the dodges.

Another guy told me he had one off a 177hp industrial 5.9 cummins.

So would one of these pumps work on a 90 dodge?

 

I was wondering what happened with your VE pump problems. Why don't you pull the pump apart and see what's going on inside before dropping a few hundred on another pump? I'm curious to why it's not generating the injection pulse you need. I still think it's just the control/metering collar that has come loose during the reseal. It's not a bad job to fix. And all it would cost you is the cost of a new re-seal kit and a little time. Heck if you were closer to me I'd tear it down and res-seal it for you for cheap...ie...buy me diner....

As for the interchange of the industrial pumps vs the regular pumps I have no idea.

 

Well he wants to get this thing running and running soon especially before the snow flies which might be soon. And I'm sure I could tear it down and do it myself but I don't have a whole lot of time right now. I want another pump to tear apart and figure out, even if it was a core (I have some secretive plans maybe) and so I told him I'd buy this pump if I could find another used one that is in running condition, but they seem pretty hard to find. And the price of this industrial pump is pretty dang good so I was just thinkin about gettin it. It should work shouldn't it? what would be the difference if not?

 

I think the industrial pumps do NOT have afc housings. And are made to run at an given rpm not going though town in traffic. The short and the long of it, I think it would work, but it would be a bandaid til you find a good pump.

 

we used a VE off a pump motor it worked but did not mod like the stocker also we had to swap out the DV depending on the year I/C non I/C
the ve off the pump we could only turn up 1/2 a turn or we had run a way it had no ksb and seemed lower on power too bot the truck ran 1 year on it be for Dodge gave us a free new ve be cause the old one had the safety recall

 

Well where this is a motor that was in a truck, you'd think it'd have an afc and run fine on our trucks since it is the same motor and is used as a truck motor and not a pump or generator. I'm thinkin I'll go ahead and get it or at least get some pics of it and see how it works til i get this other one figured out.

 

Well I got some pics of it and it doesn't have an afc or a KSB. But he said it was from a single axle freightliner truck motor? And if its rated at 167hp, then that is pretty close to our trucks. The afc lever on my truck is out so you don't really need an afc, but will the governing be totally different? or do ya think we could just change the governor spring or clip it and be fine? And would we have to change delivery valves?

 

it might smoke at take off with out an AFC but it will be governed the same . and you can use your old DVs to make it fit if you need too. some DVs are longer /shorter so the injector lines may or may not fit right make sure you can shut it down TOO just in case some one tinkered with it before you

 

do you think I could take the afc pump top off of this pump we got and put it on the industrial pump so we'll have an afc? I'm pretty curious about all this now cuz you can get the industrial pumps pretty cheap. I guess there is only one way to find out and thats to get it and try it.

 

Do you think your gonna use the old pump if not would you be interested in selling me the gov. spring top hat, spring, and washer that the gov. spring connects to???

 

the tops are interchangable, put your freinds afc top cover on the industrial pump, my spare top fit on a 4cyld mazda diesel with a ve.

 

um probably not, I want to keep this other pump complete for a core.

I did have the same thing happen to me though on my pump and I lost my top hat pin, luckily a guy on cumminsforum had one layin around and sold it to me. You could check around on the forums or check at a bosche pump shop like scheids or somethin like that.

 

AFAIK, there are two types of VE governor setups: on road, moving vehicle style and stationary, constant RPM style. I had picked up a stationary style pump for my 89 a few years ago and Faith explained to me the difference between the two. Naturally, she was right The stationary style governor does not perform like the on-road variety. At the time, I could name the styles and talk somewhat intellegently about them...now I've just plain forgotten Faith, where you at?!

 

I pretty sure our pump had the variable speed gov, like a tractor. They just lose thier accuracy when you greatly increase the max fueling(power screw) like most of use do.

Some VW's had the min/max, which is more of an automotive style gov. Only " governing" at idle and max rpm. Acting more like a carburetor in between the two.