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Went to put tires on my Micky Thompson wheels and they're about 10" deep.. couldn't get my new tires on so I ended up putting on some tourings I had. Does anyone know if these would work with the tire size I have for mudders?

Part Number: 555-681035

That the number at JEGS.

Let me know of if anyone has some suggestions!!

u2slow

235/85R16 fit best on 6" or 6.5" wide wheels. 7" is better suited to 245-285. 8" fits more like 265-315 wide.

oliver foster

The factory 1st gen 235/85R16 tires come on 6 inch wide rims from the factory.

bannerd

Thanks all, I went with these;

OE Wheels LLC 16 inch Rim Fits 8x165.1 Heavy Duty Suburban Wheel CV82 16x6.5 Black Wheel Hollander 5079

Only ones I could find with that bolt pattern.

KRB

235x85s were a factory option? Never realized that.

u2slow

No, factory stock on SRW 1stgens.

Earlier tires were probably some kind of 16.5" or inch sizes like 7.00 or 7.50R16.

bannerd

These wheels do not fit…. Tire fit fine though. The hole in the middle was about 1/8” off but the major issue was the dana 60… it tapers to a 15.5” wheel in the back so isn’t a true 16” inner dia… ugh.. if anyone had some old stock wheels let me know.. I’m at my wits end with this.. 2nd set and three weeks of waiting.

oliver foster

I have some OEM stock rims if you want to pick up a set.
You still over in upstate NY?

u2slow

Sounds like a Chevy wheel you got (center hole too small). The brake thing is a puzzler. Maybe a really old wheel from front drum brake era? Chevy used the same big rotors/calipers as Dodge on the kingpin Dana 60.

If you want 'stock' type wheels that are a touch wider, look for F250/350 wheels '92-97 or so. They are 16x7" and fit dodge hubcabs. The inch extra is to the outside. E250/350 wheel is the same, but probably used from like '92-2010.

bannerd

Yeah, I called JEGS and they have a set for $50 a pop powder coated. I'm still in Upstate NY (Potsdam). I just need to get these wheels sent back because I have $700 tied up =(

BearKiller

That "8x165.1" bit has me puzzled; I don't understand what that means.

Your bolt pattern is and always will be 8-lug on 6-1/2" circle.

Any Ford or Dodge wheel from the era is a direct bolt-on; also any 8-lug trailer wheel.

Ford wheels are to be preferred as they are at least twice as thick and ten times as strong = made by Firestone in Lexington, Kentucky, over by the old BlueGrass stockyards that burnt to the ground.

The good thick Ford/Firestone wheels are all 6-inch; later not-so-good Ford wheels are all 7-inch; I have a bunch of both but none for sale.

Later Fords, for whatever stupid reason, changed to some weird Communist bolt-pattern that doesn't fit anything else; no longer can you use your truck spare on the trailer and vice-versa.

All GM are 8 on 6-1/2 BUT --- the center hole is hub-centric only for GM and will NOT fit over a Ford or Dodge axle/hub.

If you bolt a Ford or Dodge wheel on a GM, it will fit and bolt on and then bust out around the lug holes as it is not resting on the hub.

Some new Dodge came with 235-85-16 and some came with 215-85-16; I think the SRW were all 235 and the DRW were all 215; the 215 is tiny compared to the 235; however, on a DRW, the 235 squishy no-sidewall radials are really close together and will touch when loaded if you don't put a spacer between the wheels --- by loaded, I mean loaded, not half-a-rick of wood in the bed.

If you want the height of the 235 without them rubbing together, then use 7.50-16 instead = just a wee bit taller than a 235 and not nearly so wide.

I personally run 7.50-16 BIAS and avoid radials as much as I can; I hate steel-belted radials and feel offended if I get in a bind and have no other choice.

On DRW, Don't mix "coined" wheels with flange-washered flat-faced wheels; you will screw up both the studs and the wheels.

The flange-washered Ford wheels are much to be preferred over the older Ford and Dodge "coined" wheels.

Dodge got stupid on these DRW trucks and used coined wheels with a solid flanged nut that does nothing to line the wheel up with "center"; as a bandaid, they started providing two old-timey normal nuts that you were supposed to center the wheels with on assembly and then replace them with the stupid solid flange nuts; far better would be to just throw all the originally supplied nuts in the lake and replace them all with old-timey nuts that were meant for coined wheels.

Is that too much information; I can go on.

BearKiller

"off" in what way ?

If too small to slide over the axle, then you got wheels for a GM.

I don't understand this tapering business; the tire and where it sits on the rim should be 16-inch and not much way it could be anything else.

The way the wheel is designed and what it is made of may be a different story altogether.

That "Suburban" in the name makes me think you probably got wheels for a GM.

Are the wheels in question steel or pot-metal ?

Can you provide a link to the wheels that are not working ?

BearKiller

Okay....., I think I found what you got .

Those are pot-metal and they ARE GM wheels for such things as Suburbans and light-duty Silverados.

As you have already found out, no way are they going to bolt on a Ford or Dodge or trailer.

In the description is "Hub Size 116.7" ; I am assuming that is some sort of Communist measurement; transfer that to good old American inches and it will probably come up short of whatever a Dodge measures.

Does anyone know the hub measurement for a Dodge for comparison ?

u2slow

The 92-97 Ford 16x7 wheels are made by Accuride, and are very stout. Stronger than dodge wheels for sure.

Dodge hub/wheel pilot it 4.78" and ford is 4.88". Note that many dodge hubs are smaller than 4.78" at the wheel mounting surface. (Bell shaped hub).

BearKiller

I assumed that weird 116.7 must have been in millimeters and that converts to 4.5945" ; as you can see, that is a lot smaller than the Ford/Dodge numbers provided above.

I have a couple sets of GM DRW wheels that I have had my machinist friend to turn the center opening to Ford size so I can use them on my Ford and Dodge stuff; the GM wheels are flat-surface like the good Ford wheels; and, once machined to fit, can be mixed with the Ford wheels if necessary.