You find insult waaaaay to easily; none was offered. May I suggest re-examining what I wrote.

No, that is *NOT* what I wrote. I wrote, doing things that are hard, so to say accomplishing that which has not yet been done or is difficult. You may wish to examine some examples... Google 'Trieste', or '1934 Stratosphere flight' or 'FNRS-2'.

Now it seems to me that aside from the unique factor in this idea to run two VE's there is little justification. I'd love to see I've made an incorrect assumption, and most importantly why it was incorrect.

For the lines, consider vacuum silver brazing with the appropriate stainless steel alloy lines and fittings.
cheers,
Douglas

 

That is what I found offensive. But I realise that it's easy to take things the wrong way in emails/posts etc etc. Sometimes things just don't come across as the author meant them. Perhaps you meant no insult. Either way, I've said all I'm going to say.

 

Fight nice guys lol...

 

Reliably would be the key word here.

 

From what I've read, or maybe the way I read it, he wants to do it 'cause no one else has. That I know of anyway! Does he need to justify it to anyone but himself? Of course not. However, I completely agree with you Douglas. A P-pump would be, in my uninformed and uneducated opinion, a much better option. Better yet, a complete engine from a '96 or whatever, complete with computer. Work that thing to give you 1200 hp all day long.
BUT, that isn't the point, for better or worse. That's already been done, twin VE's has not.

Now, to google those examples....

 

Is there really ANY way to fight nice?

 

Quite so, my apologies. Still, there are a few out there who run them on the road... I imagine they'd be horrible to drive around town though!

 

my opinion, P pumps are for sissy's that want EASY big power. yes they work and work well thats why EVERYONE wants/has them....except for me. i want close to the same amount of fuel that a p pump delivers with the reliability of a 12mm VE. and if it takes 2 VE's to get there then by golly ill get there. why spend $$$$ on something that is a drop in/ turn key upgrade or conversion parts when i can spend alot less, practice fabrication, improve my design skills, and get the same power with something this unique? Im 19, i built this truck from the ground up 3 years ago because no one i knew had a cummins less alone a 1st gen in high school. i did it because wanted something different that no one had. Now my friends have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gens, so i want something that no one else has....again. mostly for the uniqueness and "Whoa" reactions from gear heads such as yourselves. Im also out here to prove Nay-sayers wrong. anything can be done if you put your mind to it.....or have deep pockets which i dont lol

 

Good for you dude!

 

The P pump works, and it can deliver more power. It is missing features that makes the VE much nicer to live with, first among them being its mechanical advance. The P7100 is either retarded up top or too advanced down low.

Fixing THAT issue would deliver the goods in spades. Put big enough holes in the injectors for two VE's and it will look like Zak's truck under full boogie while it is idling. Those big injectors are going to do *NOTHING* good unless your foot is in it.

In any case, I'll bet you won't eclipse even a single turbo P-pump rig on the dyno no matter what you do. I'll give you 5:1 odds on that. If you want driveable power, it isn't going to end well trying for two VE's. Cool as Hell, yes, nobody else has one, even better, but I'd even bet against you with a single VE truck as the benchmark on power.

In any case, define your goals and find as many problems with pen and paper before you go spend a dime( save for the pen and paper; you'll need that in quantity ). As far as trying a different way, and ending up with better results...been there done that( though in a different arena ). You'll find plenty of dogma to both trouble you and support you.

One final thing, the first test of a good idea is to be able to defend it thoroughly against all those who'd question it. You need to do better than you have so far.
cheers,
Douglas

 

I dont want to be a hater but the more things i think about, the more i wonder how much this is going to be a real pain.

I think id rather have 2 complete fuel systems in the truck running to dual injectors.

It seems like the hard part is going to get everything to run in sync. Stuff like fuel line expansion, testing pop pressures, belts on the 2nd pump and many other things will really mess with you.

I say good luck to you, its a cool idea. I just wonder if theres a simpler way to do it. I think dual injectors would be awesome, but i dont mess with that stuff to know if its possible with the stock head castings and piston.

 

umm its not gunna be a Daily driver. if it was i wouldnt even have brought this idea up. sled pulling only. and on the dyno, i found out that dyno numbers are lies. it tells what your truck has but on the street its a whole different ball game. they are just bragging rights. rollers and pavement are 2 different things. all you have to do on rollers is spin them really fast really quick. yes it takes power but of course gearing makes a difference also. take a 1st gen with mods, leave stock 3:54's, make a pull. swap in 3:07's. make a pull. the dyno numbers will be different. so for future reference, rollers dont matter to me.

Syncing will be a piece of cake. 2 dial gauges in the timing ports, and for line expansion i heard that i can stretch a set of stock length lines far enough to reach my 2nd pump. then ill just Y them at the injector. if i had access to a flow bench id take both pumps and turn them up so they both run equally, but there will be ALOT of test and tune to get that just right.

 

It was only a joke

 

Dyno numbers are NOT bs....a 400 hp truck isn't going to keep up with a 600 hp truck, no matter how you judge the numbers.

 

I know Bill, hence my laughing and embarrassed faces. Kinda stupid to be 'fighting' in public, in someone else's thread... well, kinda stupid to be fighting at all.