Hey,
I am fairly new to modifiying out my 97 12v, and have a few quick questions. I am very mechanicaly inclined and do all my own work, also can do any cnc machining or fabricating required since its field of work. Now with that out of the way, I have installed a banks stinger plus fuel plate and a banks quick boost housing, also my own intake and 4'' exhaust, i also have a 400hp rated southbend clutch for the 5spd. I have read that people move there fuel plates forward along with there afc housings. What does this do for power increases, more importantly will it affect the life of my engine??, because in the banks instructions specifically said not to move the plate from where the factory one was, or am i better off putting in larger injectors?
I want to try and keep my truck as reliable as possible, since i do a lot winter starting and driving. Also, is it uncommon to hit 1350 egt's with my current set-up? Is there anything i can do to lower the egt's a little bit more? Another question, i have been reading about people advancing the timing, what does this change or add, what should it get advanced too(is it harmful to the engine)?

I am sorry for so many questions, but any advice is much appreciated.
Thanks again, Tim.

 

Moving the plate forward is not an issue you will not hurt the truck not the pump or anything else. i lived in montana and with 16* timing on my 180hp motor and my #10 version plate 3/4 forward (you probably have a #8 profile which is fine its just a profile not a hp ratied chip, it just determines how and when you get your fuelling at what boost load)and the gov arm adjusted properly so that it would hit the plate and the AFC adjusted to keep smoke down and a larger turbo all said i could dyno in the mid 300's no problem i had 0 problems and the truck lived for 400k miles and is still going.

Yes the truck once turned up is going ot push to 1300 and far above that is why it is necessary to have the pyrometer so that when pushing the truck hard you can progressively back out of it to keep the EGTs below 1300. No harm no fowl. diesel is just a big furnace the more fuel the hotter she burns you cna melt her down or lean it out a little with you foot to keep the temps in check. gives you the ponies to play with at the spur of the moment just not for long durations. thats where the efficiency of the turbo comes into play.

 

What types of power increases should be expected by advancing the time to 16* and moving the plate further foward?
THanks for your input, Tim

 

Tim:

Moving the plate forward will allow more fuel which equals more power (to a point). You still need to provide enough air for the fuel increase. This is reason for aftermarket air filter systems and the BHAF. This is a simple mod that most folks start out with. You will need a set of gauges (boost/EGT) if you start moving the plate. Advancing the timing can increase your fuel mileage, adds some pollutants, moves the torque curve up and will help keep things cooler. For a good read on all aspects of timing, check out this link "Diesel Timing" You can add several HP cheap with these two adjustments. Sorry, I can't remember exactly how much but it may be 30-50 HP if memory serves. Happy reading.
Paul

 

Hey thanks for the info, looks like i am going to turn the timing up to 15*-15.5* range, and move the banks fuel plate that i have in it a little forward, but i think i will scribe lines in the afc in case i want to move it back. By the sounds of it, moving the plate further forward and the afc forward will give me more bottom end fueling for more power. (correct??) then the advanced timing gives it more top end power but will take away some torque on the low rpm's, but thats where the fuel plate that is moved forward will counter act it, so over all i will end up with more power across the board. (does this sound right??). Thanks for your time and advice, Tim.

 

I have the banks plate full forward,

and from my knowledge, stock timing, You have the right idea about everything, Im not sure about the losing tq on the bottom end for timing, but the plate forward seems to get back alot of power. I have had no problems the with the banks plate full forward, except a lil too much smoke if i shift a gear too early. Ive even towed with it no problems.... Just my 2 cents talkin here, good luck and welcome to DTR new friend!

PS is your pyro post turbo? or pre turbo...

Tx

 

I hit 1350* at wide open throttle in the top of fifth gear (about 36-38psi boost), and my pyro sensor is pre-turbo in the exhaust manifold. otherwise temps never hit 1300, unless i am on the gas in fifth with a trailer. Thanks, Tim.

Did your exhuast temps go up considerably when you moved your banks plate forward??

 

Well

my pyro is POST TURBO.. with the banks plate full forward, i can honestly say that if i drive the truck gently, the EGTs will not climb to badly, i can usually cruise between 350-500 post turbo..... and if i get on it hard, the highest ive seen at about 95 mph is about 1000 on my post turbo, which usually means about 1400 or so i take it, But i have pegged it out once already with 1500 post turbo That was not with a banks plate though, The egts will climb, but its not that dramatic...


Tx