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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:08 PM
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Pump Timing ????

I'm gathering the last of the stuff to time my pump and need to get the bolts used in the puller to pull the pump gear, but I don't know what size they are. Anybody know off the top of their head???

Thanks....Josh
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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I need to get all the stuff myself. I have a dial gauge but need the adapter, DV wrench (? is that what it's called), Gear puller. Am I missing anything? I think my timing has slipped, so I'm going to go ahead and bump it to 15.5 or 16. Where did you get your parts? Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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No biggie on the hijack.... I pieced all my stuff together to save money. As for whats needed lets see here.

1. dial indicator, metric preferably ($20 local tool store)
2. indicator holder ($6 made my own from an oil drain plug)
3. long indicator tip (if you use a miller or snap-on holder)
4. timing gear puller ($13 local parts store)
5. delivery valve socket ($30 from Piers)
6. baring tool ($39 from cummins)

There we go timing tools for $108.00.... Alot better than the $300 to $500 to buy the tool kits.

I'm setting mine to 16 degrees and going to replace the front cover seal, run an overhead, change the oil and coolant, install my gauges, swap my #11 plate for a #10, install new batteries and cables at the same time. gonna be a busy weekend for me

.....Josh
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NMCTD
No biggie on the hijack.... I pieced all my stuff together to save money. As for whats needed lets see here.

1. dial indicator, metric preferably ($20 local tool store)
2. indicator holder ($6 made my own from an oil drain plug)
3. long indicator tip (if you use a miller or snap-on holder)
4. timing gear puller ($13 local parts store)
5. delivery valve socket ($30 from Piers)
6. baring tool ($39 from cummins)

There we go timing tools for $108.00.... Alot better than the $300 to $500 to buy the tool kits.

I'm setting mine to 16 degrees and going to replace the front cover seal, run an overhead, change the oil and coolant, install my gauges, swap my #11 plate for a #10, install new batteries and cables at the same time. gonna be a busy weekend for me

.....Josh
Wow, you did good. I am all into saving as much as I can. I will take your guidance to piece mine together also. After reading how to time the pump doesn't sound too hard. Which method are you going to use to find TDC?
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 10:19 PM
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Most likely Drop Valve method since its time to set those anyway, and I don't trust the timing pin.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 11:19 PM
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Most likely Drop Valve method since its time to set those anyway, and I don't trust the timing pin.
I have to read up on doing it that way. My valves were recently adjusted so I dunno how I am going to do it.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 11:56 PM
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Use two of the short bolts that hold down your intake horn, they are the perfect thread pitch and are 10.9 grade bolts.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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cool, it doesn't get any easier than that!!!
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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The bolts that come in the timing gear puller that I bought from autozone were the cheesiest things I had ever seen, they bent before I got the gear even to the 1/2 way mark on "ummph required to remove" lol. I used a dial indicator in injector hole resting on the piston and then took the *'s of rotation from the barring tool and divided by 1/2 to get TDC. I trie the drop valve method once and I didn't have any luck lol.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 02:51 PM
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I got the same puller from autozone, and just figured the bolts were the wrong size.

I always thought it would be better to find TDC by using a dial indicator on the piston, but I wasn't sure if one would reach down in there far enough.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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Before I started doing my own work, the mechanic spray painted a mark on my balancer to easily find TDC in the future.

Now, with the front valve cover off, I can find TDC quickly and easily.

Ronnie
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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I always thought it would be better to find TDC by using a dial indicator on the piston, but I wasn't sure if one would reach down in there far enough.
Essentially, you are finding it by a dial on the piston. I run the valve down, put a dial on it, bar the engine till I get .001-.002" lift on the dial, mark the balancer, lift the valve, go past TDC, drop the valve back to the same spot, and repeat. Find center point.
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