12 Valve Engine and Drivetrain Talk about the 12V engine and drivetrain here. This is for 1994-1998.5 engine and drivetrain discussion only.

Negative effects of advancing pump timing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 06:28 AM
  #1  
bostongsx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Negative effects of advancing pump timing

I was wondering if there are any negative effects caused by advancing the pump timing. Can there be any damage done by it? If not why doesnt the factory bump it up, it definatly makes the truck quicker.
Thanks
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 06:35 AM
  #2  
displacedtexan's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,337
Likes: 0
From: Place with no quail:(
Advancing the timing will...

Decrease exhaust temperature
Increase cylinder temperatures/pressures
Increase fuel economy (yes, economy is better)
Increase your output of NOx (a pollutant)
Decrease your output of Hydrocarbons (a pollutant)
Increase the amount of black smoke at peak torque

So it is a mixed bag, some things are improved, but hurt from an emissions standpoint.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 07:24 AM
  #3  
gunracer1's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,771
Likes: 0
From: dfw texas
poping the head gasket is about the only negative i can think of.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 10:11 AM
  #4  
infidel's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 14,672
Likes: 9
From: Montana
The biggest disadvantage is more pollutants. The only reason the timing is set where it is stock is to meet EPA requirements.
The engine was designed for and actually more efficient with the timing set higher.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 10:23 AM
  #5  
Captain's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 904
Likes: 0
From: Bucks county PA
I'm happy to polute. its like im sticking it to the man for forcing me to run ULSD and lose economy I'd also say the only disadvantage is more cylinder presser and a higher chance to blow a head gasket
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 10:33 AM
  #6  
mainer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 471
Likes: 0
From: fryeburg maine
another negative is it makes the truck slightly harder to start in the cold....

but a little bit of go peddle should take care of this.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 10:41 AM
  #7  
RustyJC's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,749
Likes: 4
From: Cypress, TX
In addition to what's already been posted, as you advance the timing, you move the peak pressure angle (PPA - the crankshaft angle at which peak firing pressure occurs) closer to TDC at a given RPM. Optimum power/BSFC is generally obtained with a PPA of around 16 to 18 degrees ATC. Because diesel combustion occurs at a relatively constant speed, as the RPMs increase, the PPA will move to the right on a pressure/time diagram (i.e., more and more ATC).

The net result of this is that an engine with advanced timing has to overcome more negative work on the compression stroke at low RPM as the pressure is building sooner as the piston is still traveling upward toward TDC. This is why advancing timing takes away from low RPM performance but can improve high RPM performance.

Rusty
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 08:39 PM
  #8  
clutch1's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,079
Likes: 0
nice explanation.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 09:37 PM
  #9  
TIMMY22's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,971
Likes: 1
From: Land of milk and honey.
Originally Posted by Captain
I'm happy to polute. its like im sticking it to the man for forcing me to run ULSD and lose economy I'd also say the only disadvantage is more cylinder presser and a higher chance to blow a head gasket
Ahhhhhh............You are the man!!!!!!
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2007 | 09:38 PM
  #10  
TIMMY22's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,971
Likes: 1
From: Land of milk and honey.
on a more serious note, It can effect cold starts also.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
duallybuster350
1st Gen. Ram - All Topics
5
Mar 3, 2010 06:01 AM
$oC@l CTD
3rd Gen High Performance and Accessories (5.9L Only)
2
Sep 1, 2008 05:49 PM
shrmpboatcptn
Performance and Accessories 2nd gen only
3
Apr 24, 2008 12:38 AM
EverydayDiesel
Performance and Accessories 2nd gen only
9
Jun 20, 2007 10:12 AM
wannadiesel
1st Gen. Ram - All Topics
3
Oct 12, 2003 07:51 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:44 AM.