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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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I have had problems with a lift pump failure in recent past, I installed a Fass DDRP and ended up with hot start issues. I rerouted the lift pump wiring per advice on this site to fix this problem. This is documented in another post here:
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...html?p=2564545
The truck ran great for a month, then one morning, I was going down the street and it died. Acted exactly as it did when the lift pump went out. Running along fine, then the engine died, no sputtering or missing at all before quitting.
I brought the truck back home, pulled the line from the fuel filter to the high pressure pump and have plenty of fuel coming from lift pump.
Tried bleeding the system of air and the truck would hit for a few seconds and then die. I tried to bleed it a number of times, but it would not start.
Check my codes from the dash and recieved only a 1693. I realize this is a companion code and I am trying to get my hands on a scanner, but cannot drive the truck to a place to have it scanned. I am going to see if I can get a mechanic to bring a scanner to the house today if I cannot find one to borrow.

If I find a scanner to borrow, where do I find the connector to plug it in?

If my injection pump has finally died, would I have to use a scanner to get the codes, or should I be able to see these by flipping the key back and forth?

Any other advice?
thanks....gary
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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You can check codes with the key trick but it may not show all of them.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth
You can check codes with the key trick but it may not show all of them.
Which is just about worthless because many times it will only show the companion code. Rent/borrow a scanner from any of the chain parts stores & post results.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Keep an eye for the P0216.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by phal

If I find a scanner to borrow, where do I find the connector to plug it in?

If my injection pump has finally died, would I have to use a scanner to get the codes, or should I be able to see these by flipping the key back and forth?

Any other advice?
thanks....gary
The connector is under the dash. Just about where your right shin would be if you were sitting in the truck with your foot on the accelerator pedal.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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Which is just about worthless because many times it will only show the companion code. Rent/borrow a scanner from any of the chain parts stores & post results.
That's true but it's free and he can't move his rig right now. I did reread his post and see he did that already.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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I had a guy come over and check the codes. The only one that came up was the 1693. He cleared this code and could get no others.
We then disconnected the battery and still had no codes except the 1693 which again came back, could it be that his code reader was not compatible with the truck?
thanks...gary
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 03:58 PM
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Believe you need to be able to get to the ECM then. Not sure if all scanners will do both PCM and ECM.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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how to check the ecm codes

Electronic Control Module, correct?

How is that done?

hooked up under the hood?

thanks...gary
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 10:15 PM
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THere is a special cummins tool that you plug into the wiring harness connection on VP. it will tell you if you have a VP problem or if it is some where else. I have one, but Im in iowa.
It basically lets you start the truck and run the pump with the controller. Foot feed wont work.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by phal
I have had problems with a lift pump failure in recent past, I installed a Fass DDRP and ended up with hot start issues. I rerouted the lift pump wiring per advice on this site to fix this problem. This is documented in another post here:
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...html?p=2564545
The truck ran great for a month, then one morning, I was going down the street and it died. Acted exactly as it did when the lift pump went out. Running along fine, then the engine died, no sputtering or missing at all before quitting.
I brought the truck back home, pulled the line from the fuel filter to the high pressure pump and have plenty of fuel coming from lift pump.
Tried bleeding the system of air and the truck would hit for a few seconds and then die. I tried to bleed it a number of times, but it would not start.
Check my codes from the dash and recieved only a 1693. I realize this is a companion code and I am trying to get my hands on a scanner, but cannot drive the truck to a place to have it scanned. I am going to see if I can get a mechanic to bring a scanner to the house today if I cannot find one to borrow.

If I find a scanner to borrow, where do I find the connector to plug it in?

If my injection pump has finally died, would I have to use a scanner to get the codes, or should I be able to see these by flipping the key back and forth?

Any other advice?
thanks....gary
you can buy a scanner that will read all the codes from http://www.kragen.com/ProductList.as...egoryCode=3389 the one i have is the 69.99 one
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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by phal
Electronic Control Module, correct?

How is that done?

hooked up under the hood?

thanks...gary
Engine Control Module, The only scanner i am familiar with is the DRB3, and no, you go thru the ALDL connector under the dash.
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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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I am considering just buying an injection pump and installing it, just because I know I am going to have to do it eventually anyway.
If pulling the codes was not such a hassle maybe i wouuld try something else, I am at a point where I am unsure what to do.
Do I invest in a scanner or just put that money towards the pump that I know I am going to have to buy anyway? Same thing with special tools and stuff. I know I damaged the injection pump when I lost the lift pump a couple of months ago, thats why I have the hot start issue.

When I tried to start the truck before, I did have fuel at the injectors, not sure if I had enough, but there was fuel when it was bled. Does this change anything, or can I have a
bad VP$$ and still get fuel from the lines?


If I just buy the pump, I can install it with standard mechanics tools right? nothing else needed?

If I go ahead with the pump change, I am probably going to replace with a Blue Chip pump here:
http://www.bluechipdiesel.com/productpricing.html
I would like to go with the special x, but the price of the standard replacement is going to kill the check book, so I dont know if I can swing it or not.

So, is this a warped way to think of this situation, or not?

thanks...gary
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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by phal
I am considering just buying an injection pump and installing it, just because I know I am going to have to do it eventually anyway.
If pulling the codes was not such a hassle maybe i wouuld try something else, I am at a point where I am unsure what to do.
Do I invest in a scanner or just put that money towards the pump that I know I am going to have to buy anyway? Same thing with special tools and stuff. I know I damaged the injection pump when I lost the lift pump a couple of months ago, thats why I have the hot start issue.

When I tried to start the truck before, I did have fuel at the injectors, not sure if I had enough, but there was fuel when it was bled. Does this change anything, or can I have a
bad VP$$ and still get fuel from the lines?


If I just buy the pump, I can install it with standard mechanics tools right? nothing else needed?

If I go ahead with the pump change, I am probably going to replace with a Blue Chip pump here:
http://www.bluechipdiesel.com/productpricing.html
I would like to go with the special x, but the price of the standard replacement is going to kill the check book, so I dont know if I can swing it or not.

So, is this a warped way to think of this situation, or not?

thanks...gary
go buy the 69.99 scanner, you'll use it all the time. maybe not on yours but on friends and relatives
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 08:41 AM
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waiting on a scanner

OK, I took the good advice of the previous post and purchased a scanner. It seems you can buy anything at Amazon these days and I like the reviews of the products by actual users so I go there alot. After looking around at what was available, I ordered this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Equus-3030-Inn...1938326&sr=1-4
It was highly rated by nearly all users and priced at 49.95.
Should be here in 3 days, I will check out the truck and let you know what I get when I scan it...thanks....gary
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