Luken

This is the exact problem with the site right now. You have this attitude towards someone who is simply discussing the way he feels. You gotta respect Lary because he is taking the time to post and discuss this in a civil manor. Comments like this, especially from a "chapter president" is pathetic.

I guess when someone doesn't agree with what's going on the thread is "useless"

RATTLINRAM

This is not a useless thread. It was put in the correct forum and so far I want to thank everyone for being civil. This is the only way we have to communicate on issues that involve all of us.
I know that everyone is not going to share the same opinion and that's perfectly normal and very healthy for a forum as long as we keep it civil.

One thing I would like to point out, is that all the Admins have real jobs and real families and we are seperated by hundreds of miles from one another. Please remember that this makes quick communication among all of us very hard to do.

Thanks guys

Geico266

Djgaston,

All in all, DTR does a good job keeping on top of 28,000+ members, and keeping them in line. Are they fair? Where does it say they need to be fair? They are but that is besides the point. Injecting the need to be fair is simply a way for you to try to get your input into the mix. This is their sand box, play be their rules.

I think the rules are pretty simple, well thought out, fair and resonable.

Crobtex,

AMEN!

Luken

The DTR might have 28,000 members but there are 13,000+ members that have less than ONE post. My point is, it would greatly be appreciated if Admins would listen to the ones that use the forum everyday and try to move foward.

In less than 12 hours I have seen 2 useless posts from Chapter Presidents.
1. Flaming - pointed out by another member.
2. Saying a thread is useless, just because he doesn't agree.

Thanks for clearing it up rattlinram!

Geico266

What is your point?

We can and do disagree, but there are RULES about links, cussing, bashing on Begle1 too much (although it should be an Olympic event), etc.

Totallyrad

That was an eloquent and very well thought out response, OVERRULED!

jthorpe

You say you've seen two useless posts in less than 12 hours. So it's okay for you to say it but not him? What gives? What is good for one is not good for the other? I don't think either one has posted anything useless and both have made some good points, but you're not helping yourself out trying to make an argument against something when you do the very same thing in that argument. This is getting kind of ridiculous. WHAT do you want? Just say it. Get it overwith, say it and be done with it. This is getting old and it's not getting us anywhere. Out of all the members who are here, do you realize how many POSITIVE emails we get from users about how this site is run? For every 1 negative, a good 100-200 positives come in, every single day. As long as the majority is happy, there is nothing we can do to please everyone. We do our best to please as many as we can and yet that will never be good enough. So it is what it is.

jthorpe

Here is the interesting thing. I think you're failing to realize that the majority of our users LIKE the way the site is run and they want it this way. They don't want this place turning into a wide open flea market.

In addition, the feedback from almost all of our advertisers is very positive except for a couple. Can't help that. The large majority of them like it too, because we protect their investment by not allowing their competition to come in and steal a free ad. They have commented on this multiple times, and are happy about advertising here. In addition, most of them have been here for a very long time.

I would be glad to go over the growth percentages with you one day. Once you see that, you'd probably want to come back and erase this statement.

I guess it's kind of like being a politician in a way. There are those who you can just never please, you can never do the right things for them regardless. That's alright. We don't mind. Last year at this time, we were around 25 new user registrations a day. Right now, we're at about 80. You tell me, is that a sign of growth dropping off? Probably not.

Luken

That was the EXACT reason I posted "useless" as describing his posts. When he said it, it wasn't a problem.

I WANT exactly what DJ said in the first post. It's obvious nothing is going to change becuase there are 5 of us disgusted about this and you will recieve 200 emails today telling you how good it is. I'll just drop it.

Luken

That's an awesome growth and I hope it continues.

waldersha

I think the intent of the original post was to point out that he is really just trying to help folks out.

I don't disagree with any of the rules on this forum. I enjoy that no one has avatars that I can't have on my screen at work for fear that my boss would see. I have posted way more to this site than any other and have learned a lot. I think that it is great the way that Jack and Lary post to answer questions (even though sometimes you can read a lot of tone in their posts, intended or not).

The "take your ball and go home" approach is not one that I appreciate, unless it is warranted. It seems that there are a whole lot of really great guys and gals on this site who want to share information, and a few who take any opportunity to tell someone to stick it.

I would never pay to share information on a forum, and love that this forum doesn't require that. However, there ARE several who link to other sites or reference other boards all the time for further information that can be provided here. The steering column fix is a great example. That came off of TDR, and the guy IS making money off of it, but it looks like it may be a HUGE improvement for our trucks. I guess in my opinion (and that's all it is), if there is something to be gained by all it should be allowed. Heck, there are several members here who moderate other sites that I have visited. They don't advertise that per the site rules, but they do share information gained/given on those sites as well. The fact that this site has more members that most of the "other" diesel sites just makes it easier to get information to the rest of us.

All that said, I know that it isn't possible for the admin to monitor every post/link, so I guess you do the best you can. As long as there are still 1000's of members here who share information, regardless of the source, then I will continue to visit.

By the way, I type pretty fast so this didn't take all that long.

RowJ

You've made your point...as we're all entitled to do! But your attitude of superiority makes it very difficult for me to "get it".
Take what you say you like from the DTR and get the rest from elsewhere.

I, for one, do not see the "serious long term" importance of what you feel so deeply and wordily about!

JMO - RJ

jthorpe

Wow, you DO type fairly quickly. I think you posted great points. The thing is, we allow these links all the time. We have no intention of disallowing that. We also believe that sharing of information is key to success not only for the users in terms of being able to save money, but also for the DTR to even stay alive and continue to be a resource. As long as the majority of our members think of us as a good resource, then we're in good shape. If not, then that would be a different story.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems to me the whole discussion over the past few days is a moot point, because we DO allow remote links and we have no intention of changing that. Sometimes we make a judgement call on advertising, lauguage, etc. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're not. for those times that we're not, I apologize to all. At the same time, none of us will ever be perfect so we just continue on, doing the best we can and working to make things successful.

Totallyrad

waldersha

My point exactly. Thanks for the reply. And thanks for being right most of the time.