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1st Gen. Ram - All TopicsDiscussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here.
Genos unit not a Bosch...and FSS have conventional threads not LH. My truck is a '90 non I/C and I think the pump is slightly different than your 1992. The area around you FSS looks different than mine. Mine came loose with a couple taps of the hammer. I guess I was lucky or perhaps it was not in there very long? I had only had it a month and did not know the PO. And I was not very comfortable using a hammer and chisel in that area either...by all means if a wrench works I would use it.
I was worried about the rest of the injection pump, smacking it with a hammer.
Edit-Yes!!! after looking up the crowfoot wrench, that is what I have been looking for, thank you. I knew there had to be some kind of tool designed to take this out. Hopefully I can still get one on it
I have seen applications where the fine machining and finish of a Snap-On wrench was the only tool that would do the job. Tools with inferior steel have to have thicker walls.
I don't have many Snap On tools in the box (I'm not wealthy and my livelihood doesn't depend on them). The few I have are for specific jobs like this one because they are the only brand that will get it done.
I recently gutted my FSS because it seems like a weak link reliability wise. I also know that it will die on the road, at night, in the rain, or snow, or both and I don't want to have to replace it in those conditions.
I removed the throttle bracket and was just able to nudge it out with an OLD(US made=thinner better steel) Craftsman 15/16th open end wrench at a 75* angle. Once it broke free I was able to spin it out with my fingers. I had to remove the electric connection tab on the top to remove it the whole way because it was hitting the pump.
When mine began to fail it would not shut off with the key...It was sporadic so I let it go. Within a few weeks it occasionally would not start right...then it quit starting at all. I was lucky it ultimately failed in the driveway. So I pulled the FSS, gutted it and reinstalled it. I ran it like that a few days. It always started fine so I figured FSS was the culprit. Seems when they fail it's in shutoff mode but I have heard of a few failing and causing a no-start. I have read that many have successfully used the cheaper online FSS available on Ebay etc...I just had no luck. The Bosch unit still costs less than a ride home on a roll-off.
Finally....I have removed the shut off solenoid. I found a wrench to grind down because they wanted $60 plus for a crowfoot; which didn't look like it would fit in there. Thanks for all the ideas and replies.
Now I get to take my starter out and have it rebuilt, as it went out yesterday. If it's not one thing, it's another
Nice work on the custom tool.
Looks like something I should make from an old wrench to have in the specialty drawer of my tool box, or in the glove box for those long trips to Carlisle.
Nice work on the custom tool.
Looks like something I should make from an old wrench to have in the specialty drawer of my tool box, or in the glove box for those long trips to Carlisle.
YOU, of all people, don't already have one??? I'd only be slightly less amazed if Jim Lane or J. Martin said the same thing.
Nice work on the custom tool.
Looks like something I should make from an old wrench to have in the specialty drawer of my tool box, or in the glove box for those long trips to Carlisle.
Yes, this wrench is definitely going somewhere safe; as it has only one purpose now.
Made one awhile back, using a offset drop down 15/16" tool, as drifter and doodle bee have done. Also found a small, channel lock type Milwaukee tool as a back up cause I still had problems getting the tool in there.
All that have suggested to grind off the misc. metal on the VE pump bracket are correct, cause it makes getting a tool in there way easier.
When I had to recently pull my VE out to fix tappet cover leak, I found one of Jimbos engine pics, the one with the billet tappet cover shown. I was able to see where, and how much of that material off that bracket had to be removed. So I saw it as an opportune time to do so, when the time comes to replace the FSS.
I have two new spares from Geno's, and am still running the original 23 year old FSS.
Should by chance my home made tool give me problems, this will get the FSS out no problem. Found at Home Depot.
I want to give credit where credit is due. I googled FSS removal tool long time ago, and did not like the responses of the hammer and chisel, wether it worked or not. I found the idea I believe from Cougar, who used the offset tool instead of a straight on box wrench. If, by chance, it wasn't Cougar I PM'd to get further clarification on fabricating the tool, my apologies. If you're out there and read this, thank you.
YOU, of all people, don't already have one??? I'd only be slightly less amazed if Jim Lane or J. Martin said the same thing.
How often do they go bad if your pump isn't highly modified?
Every toobox could use one, but I simply cut that unused bracket off to make mine easily accessible. Yes I keep an extra FSS in the glove box for such occasions. Had the truck 5 years now. Never changed it yet, and it is original to the truck.
I have had one truck with FSS failure in the last 20 years...but none had any pump work either. I got my experience changing the same truck multiple times.
Made my own FSS wrench today. Used a cheap husky wrench and made it specific to our dodge ve pumps.
Cut a notch, then bent the head 10+ degrees as it hit on the handle side. After the head side was ground down, I shortened the wrench 4 inches, for easier access, and less room in the tool box