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Why is the #10 cam plate so much more popular?

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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 03:16 PM
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Why is the #10 cam plate so much more popular?

Why is the #10 so popular? According to my CPL, the #8 will give 230 HP/605 ft.lb and the #10 will only give 220 / 570. Yet, everybody recommends the #10. Why is that?

I'd rather have a little less power anyway, as this is my daily driver / electrician work truck, and I certainly don't want to spend a bundle of money on tranny upgrades.

Thanks for the advice.
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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The power is just SOOOOOOOOO smooth. The #8 on a stock truck (no GSK) with tow down the highway like a madman, but the bottom end and top end taper off, A LOT.

With the #10, power is smooth and solid from idle (not really ) to redline. No big jumps or craters in the torque, but just smooth. I have only used the #10 with a GSK, and that affects the plate A LOT too, so I don't really know what it's like stock.

I was going to post pictures of each of them, but I just remembered we can't anymore (or I can't figure out how, I know I've done it before )

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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 03:42 PM
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Thanks for the explanation. Yeah, pictures would be great. Just type in [img]image location on the web[/img]. For instance, the "Google" image location is at http://www.google.com/images/logo.gif. This is found by right clicking on the image, and selecting Properties. It will give you the address of the image itself. So, I'll type in [img], followed by the web address above, and finish it with [/img].





Like this.
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 03:59 PM
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Yeah, I know how to do that, but they're on MY computer ...................... wait a minute!















Here, I forgot we have a website I can host them on

Sooo, here you go ...

http://www.mayerfarmequipment.com/Stores/Chris-3.html

Good Luck, Again
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 04:06 PM
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Like Chris said its the profile people like. The curve on the plate is nice and smooth and gives full mid range power and pulls back on the top end of the RPM range to control EGT's a bit.

The advertised HP for the plates is all based on placing it in the stock location. They don't eleborate on the fact that you can slide the plate either backward to reduce the power output or forward for more juice.

The 10 plate in my truck in the stock location turns the clutch to cinders. Pulling it back around 0.015 has kept the clutch from slipping, but still gives the power profile I like. The torque at 1500 Rpm is just no comparison to the stock plate, even at full forward.

There have been some plate pictures around with the #100, which basically is the 10 with the top of the curve ground flat. You might find those pictures if you search on that.

J-eh

PS. Chris, those pictures are the 1000 words I was trying to come up with.
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 04:50 PM
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Great, thanks! I'm in a lot of stop and go, on both the freeways and city streets. It sounds like the #10 is the plate I'm after.

So, I need to set the governor lever at the very bottom (tip) of the #10 plate, correct? This is what I'm talking about. http://www.piersdiesel.com/TechLeverAdj.htm
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 06:09 PM
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I don't want to make so much power that I am slipping my TC. I'll start out with the plate right at the stock location.

I understand the #10 plate will give a smoother fuel delivery as compared to the stock plate. I also understand that sliding the plate forward or backward will increase or decrease the amount the governor lever can travel, and how much fuel is being delivered.

I want to know if there is a point where the #10 plate makes more power at a lower RPM than the stock plate, but less power at a higher RPM than the stock plate - or vice versa? In other words, if I back down the #10 to the point where I'm comfortable with the power up high, is it possible that it could be making less power than a stock plate down low? Depending on the cam plate, this is entirely possible. You could make wicked power down low, but actually have less power up high. I want a cam plate that makes more power at all RPM's, but doesn't overpower my transmission. In order to keep from overpowering my transmission at one end of the RPM range, I don't want to be making less power than the stock plate at the other end of the RPM range. Do you understand what I'm trying to ask?
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 06:49 PM
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#8

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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 06:50 PM
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 07:23 PM
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so the #100 plate is just the #10 with that little triangle grinded flat then?
How does that affect the performance of the truck?
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 08:59 PM
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So what would happen if I were to grind the triangle smaller on my #8 plate?
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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it won't defuel on in upper RPM, and EGT's will climb...

you can take a look at my fuel plate in my photo gallery
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 11:31 PM
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I personally wouldn't grind an aftermarket plate, grind your stock one. I tried out my stocker ground to a #100 and didn't like the fact I had to watch the pyro when accelerating, it got hot fast. I put the #10 back in.
With the #10 I really don't have to watch the pyro at all except on a hill or with a load.
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Old Dec 15, 2004 | 11:41 PM
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my pyro climbs, but so does my speedo!

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Old Dec 16, 2004 | 07:50 AM
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How does the #10 perform without a 3GSK? I thought that I read that the 3GSK actually helps keep the TC from slipping. Did I read incorrect? I'm hoping that by NOT installing the 3GSK, I can avoid being forced to do any tranny work. I don't want to reach the point of forced mods. When you bomb the truck enough, then you're forced to do bomb something else to compensate for the bomb before.
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