Luk Clutch
Originally Posted by SmokenRam
And I LOVE TO SHIFT!!!!! I'd take a stick over an auto any day, Just personal prefence!!
i still love my 6spd for its reliability, only need to upgrade clutch and input shaft for big power...but at times i wish i had an auto so i could jsut cruise and go and not have to shift all the time. especially with the short rpm range...
Thank you for the nice words.
To answer your question halerazor. The price of clutches between cars and diesel trucks are really not that different. It really all depends on the power of the vehicle and what they are using it for. We offer clutches for all the different rice burners as well as German, American cars. If you look here you will see that there is a wide range of pricing depending on the needs. http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/home.html
And, we do not offer the most expensive clutches for these vehicles. Some company's make double, triple and quad clutch packs that can reach into the thousands of $$. Our Toyota Supra has a 1000 hp and a $1600 clutch in it.
Size also has a bearing on pricing. Most of your rice burners have 7", 8", 9" clutches in them. Cost to produce them is cheaper then say the 13" in your trucks, less material.
Then the BIG reason, if a car makes 350 hp then they have around 300 ft lb of torque. A diesel at 350 hp will produce 700+ ft lb of torque. The gas burners do not have a clue on the power a diesel can make. This requires a little more effort on our part when it comes to building a clutch to handle it.
Now comes competition. This has a huge bearing on price. Take the semi's, they use 14" and 15 1/2" singe and double disc clutches. All of which are made by Spicer or Rockwell or Valeo. Every body and their brother sells them and the market is flooded. The profit margin on these clutches is very small and if you are not a giant of a company it would be hard pressed to make a living selling these units.
Now take a specialized market such as the diesel pickups. Not a lot of company's offer clutches to hold the kind of power you people are making simply because it is not easy. You take a company such as ours who is somewhat a pioneer. We had to take the good with the bad in trying to keep up. Designing, building, changing, warranting, redesigning. Unfortunately the world became somewhat a guiny pig. Everytime we thought we had it figured out, more power was being produced. Our testing tables, machines and everything we have in our shop that shows that the clutch looks good on paper does not compare to real world and all of its variables. Now that we have come up with what seems to work well...here come the troops behind. Other companies try to mimic. They may not be able to produce the exact same/quality product do to proprietary reasons or cost but they make a similar product and sell it for less. Now, could we match these prices? Yes! If we cut out all the middle men. No Master distributors, no distributors, no jobbers, just sell to the retail. Then cut out any reasonable warranty. Blame the installer, blame the driver. Companies such as BD Power, Bullydog, Piers Diesel, TST, Diesel Dynamics, Premier Performance, Blumenthals, Standard Transmissions and many others were able to make a profit on our product to help themselves to design more stuff for your truck. This is how America should work in my book. This creates and keeps employment!
If I sold clutches to make a 10% profit, there is NO WAY I could afford to warranty problems that may or not be a fault of ours.
Hope this made a little sense.
Peter
To answer your question halerazor. The price of clutches between cars and diesel trucks are really not that different. It really all depends on the power of the vehicle and what they are using it for. We offer clutches for all the different rice burners as well as German, American cars. If you look here you will see that there is a wide range of pricing depending on the needs. http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/home.html
And, we do not offer the most expensive clutches for these vehicles. Some company's make double, triple and quad clutch packs that can reach into the thousands of $$. Our Toyota Supra has a 1000 hp and a $1600 clutch in it.
Size also has a bearing on pricing. Most of your rice burners have 7", 8", 9" clutches in them. Cost to produce them is cheaper then say the 13" in your trucks, less material.
Then the BIG reason, if a car makes 350 hp then they have around 300 ft lb of torque. A diesel at 350 hp will produce 700+ ft lb of torque. The gas burners do not have a clue on the power a diesel can make. This requires a little more effort on our part when it comes to building a clutch to handle it.
Now comes competition. This has a huge bearing on price. Take the semi's, they use 14" and 15 1/2" singe and double disc clutches. All of which are made by Spicer or Rockwell or Valeo. Every body and their brother sells them and the market is flooded. The profit margin on these clutches is very small and if you are not a giant of a company it would be hard pressed to make a living selling these units.
Now take a specialized market such as the diesel pickups. Not a lot of company's offer clutches to hold the kind of power you people are making simply because it is not easy. You take a company such as ours who is somewhat a pioneer. We had to take the good with the bad in trying to keep up. Designing, building, changing, warranting, redesigning. Unfortunately the world became somewhat a guiny pig. Everytime we thought we had it figured out, more power was being produced. Our testing tables, machines and everything we have in our shop that shows that the clutch looks good on paper does not compare to real world and all of its variables. Now that we have come up with what seems to work well...here come the troops behind. Other companies try to mimic. They may not be able to produce the exact same/quality product do to proprietary reasons or cost but they make a similar product and sell it for less. Now, could we match these prices? Yes! If we cut out all the middle men. No Master distributors, no distributors, no jobbers, just sell to the retail. Then cut out any reasonable warranty. Blame the installer, blame the driver. Companies such as BD Power, Bullydog, Piers Diesel, TST, Diesel Dynamics, Premier Performance, Blumenthals, Standard Transmissions and many others were able to make a profit on our product to help themselves to design more stuff for your truck. This is how America should work in my book. This creates and keeps employment!
If I sold clutches to make a 10% profit, there is NO WAY I could afford to warranty problems that may or not be a fault of ours.
Hope this made a little sense.
Peter
Originally Posted by getblown5.9
come back and tell me that a year later
i still love my 6spd for its reliability, only need to upgrade clutch and input shaft for big power...but at times i wish i had an auto so i could jsut cruise and go and not have to shift all the time. especially with the short rpm range...
i still love my 6spd for its reliability, only need to upgrade clutch and input shaft for big power...but at times i wish i had an auto so i could jsut cruise and go and not have to shift all the time. especially with the short rpm range...
Peter
I am a SBC fan! I purchased a con ofe back several months ago, when I only expected to get in the 400 hp range and be satisfied. Now it looks like I am close to or exceeding 500 hp, and my clutch started slipping. I called and talked to Peter , and because of my previous purchase, he made an upgrade to a double disc and heavy duty input shaft affordable for me.......plus I get to keep my con ofe to sell or have as a backup. What surprised me even more was that he sent it out on a Friday and it was on my doorstep the following Monday. SBC is definitely one of the few companies in business today that truly believes and practices customer service. Thanks Peter, thanks SBC!
Waylan
Waylan
Originally Posted by South Bend Clutch
When it comes time to upgrade the clutch you will not need to upgrade the input shaft. Your truck already supports a 1 3/8" input.
Peter
Peter
Hey Peter, i went on your web site and look at the differnt clutchs, Now like i said i am new to this clutch thing, Whats the differnce between all your clutches, or better yet, witch one will better fit my needs, Like I said early i don't think i'm over 500RWH, This truck is on the road, no compition, But i want it to hold up if i want to THRASH on it. Thanks Chris
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