Does anyone have this installed?
http://www.smokindiesel.com/Dodge/24...system_24v.htm

 

Rattle_Rattle,
I have recently installed the FASS system on my 02. The results have been everything I wanted. Mine was purchased from Enterprise Engine. They installed 24lb springs in the pump and I have no fuel starvation problems. Fittings are provided to mount the unit on the outside of the frame rail. Also provided are fittings to connect the FASS system to the outlet on the tank thus doing away with the steel fuel line on the frame rail and another fitting to connect a bypass to an inlet on the top of the tank. I removed the stock lift pump and stock filter housing completely and plugged the FASS wiring harness into the stock lift pump connector. Nothing but praises for my FASS system but if anything changes I'll let you know!
I had tried the Stanadyne pusher system without good results. I could still pull my Fuel pressure down to 0. Not happening with the FASS system.

Meacham Evins
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I just got off the phone with the service manager at my local dealer. He say's I need a new lift pump. The funny thing is, he says they have to be ordered from parts distribution after pressure readings are taken, then wait three days to get the pump. I'm wondering if I would be better off to go with the FASS now or take my chances with another new lift pump. It seems strange to me that they know that there is a problem with these pumps but they keep putting the same thing back on! I wonder if the 2003's and 2004's use the same pumps?

 

I looked extensively into the FASS system and the Preporator brand and have decided to go with the FASS system. Perporator is marketed by daddy and junior markets the FASS. Ordered it today. The pump is a gear pump, the filters are obtainable locally, it replaces the high quality lift pump and also the lines to the injection pump so no banjo bolts. The pressure can be adjusted by modifing the return (bypass) spring. Should last the truck, we will see.

 

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Rattle_Rattle,
I have recently installed the FASS system on my 02. The results have been everything I wanted. Mine was purchased from Enterprise Engine. They installed 24lb springs in the pump and I have no fuel starvation problems. Fittings are provided to mount the unit on the outside of the frame rail. Also provided are fittings to connect the FASS system to the outlet on the tank thus doing away with the steel fuel line on the frame rail and another fitting to connect a bypass to an inlet on the top of the tank. I removed the stock lift pump and stock filter housing completely and plugged the FASS wiring harness into the stock lift pump connector. Nothing but praises for my FASS system but if anything changes I'll let you know!
I had tried the Stanadyne pusher system without good results. I could still pull my Fuel pressure down to 0. Not happening with the FASS system.

Meacham Evins
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What kind of pressures are you seeing? I've got a PE4200 on mine and even with a messed up bypass regulator (don't ask) I've got a solid 16psi no matter what. Is this FASS system suppsoed to be the next best thing since sliced bread? I didn't see anything about a new pump. Just the filtration system.

 

Blue FASS and Preporator have been making fuel system for big trucks for a few years. It mounts near the tank area and has a pump, water seperator, air seperator, prefilter and postfilter. It also supplies fuel line to go all the way to the injector pump with no banjo's or other restrictions. It replaces the fuel system between the tank and the injection pump. It works well on the big trucks so figured that I would give it a try. At least no more fuel pump hassels. It is expensive, between 550 and 600 delivered, but figuring a new pump and a new high flow fuel line system, it is not so bad. Working with the bypass spring you can set it to what pressure you want, as I am told. So far I have spent $450 on lift pumps, the current one is two months old and is going down. Tired of it.

 

How does all this compare to PDR's auxillary helper kit? Getting ready to put new lift pump on mine and would just as soon put this system on.

Anybody in the Indy area want to hel me install this bad boy??

Matt

 

So it sounds like the PE4200 now has some competition as being the best pump. I know the newer PE's have some problems. But the older ones were great (like mine). ;D

 

I received my FASS system today. I am really impressed, it is all heavy solid construction. Comes with everything harnessed. Motor is a replacable brush type, final filter is a glass 10 micro. Expected life of a fleetguard filter is over 100,000 miles. My installation will be a little different than the norm as I need to keep the area of the side rails free for tool boxes and tanks so will mount it under the rear of the cab and it will hang a little low for four wheel use. Will probably add a skid plate to protect the filters. I have high hopes, looks like a great system and compared to the factory stuff well worth the money. Hope to get this thing set up by tomorrow afternoon, may not make it but for sure over the weekend. Have runs to make on Sat evening.

 

I just got back from getting my gauges installed and talked with them about the FASS. They honestly had no clue about it, but did mention that a cage or skid plate would almost be necessary.

Please keep us posted on your install.

 

BigBlue,
The FASS system is a filtration system as well as a pump. The pressures that I am running are slightly in excess of 30 psi at idle and about 22 psi at WOT. The system is suppose to have 24 lb springs on the by-pass so I'm gonna talk to Enterprise Engine and see if I need different springs to lower my idle pressures. I have seen no ill effects from the higher pressures except that I had to replace my 30 psi guage when the pressure broke it. The truck runs really well with no problems starting even when cold. I don't really have anything to else to tell about the system except that it is working for me now(Knock on wood!).

Meacham Evins

 

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BigBlue,
The FASS system is a filtration system as well as a pump. The pressures that I am running are slightly in excess of 30 psi at idle and about 22 psi at WOT. The system is suppose to have 24 lb springs on the by-pass so I'm gonna talk to Enterprise Engine and see if I need different springs to lower my idle pressures. I have seen no ill effects from the higher pressures except that I had to replace my 30 psi guage when the pressure broke it. The truck runs really well with no problems starting even when cold. I don't really have anything to else to tell about the system except that it is working for me now(Knock on wood!).

Meacham Evins
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Meachem, just wondering, how is yours hooked up, is it direct to the ECM pump feed? I am going to go with the relay setup so the load is not on the ECM. Doug said that this one should have lower pressures at idle. They have been working with that issue. He also said that there is some fluctuation in the voltage coming out of the ECM. Going through a relay will produce full 12v while on but the ECM will still kill it after a half second or so before starting which should stop any starting problem. Essentially the ECM shuts off the fuel pressure while starting after giving it a kick to supply fuel to the system.

 

It's on Looks like a great system. 3/8 hose all the way to an AN fitting at the injection pump. The pressure is adjustable by tweaking the spring. Right now it is set at 12 1/2 idle and never drops below 11 under any circumstances. So far as volumn I dropped the hose in a pail to flush out the system before hooking it up to the pump, just in case. The filters were dry, I bumped the start and it filled the filters (2) and pumped almost two gallons in the pail before shutting off.

Ok now if you could have any pressure you wanted for the injection pump what would you set it at. What pressure would be the m ost beneficial? Right now I have the highest WOT pressure that the truck has ever seen. Would 15 help anything or is the 11 good ?

It has a relay set up to give the pump full 12v from the battery using the ECM power as a trigger for the relay. Starts right up, no problems. Figure the cost of a lift pump and the cost of a free flowing feed system and the near $600 does not sound too bad. Expecially with a pump that is supposed to last a long time and a much better filter system. I feel it was worth it now lets see in the long run.

I really would like the opinions on the optimum pressure to run. Might as well have it optimum. I am wondering if raising it is any help at all as it has the volumn and 11 pounds at the lowest. Rarely is it below 12 1/2, almost looks like the gage is stuck, just stays there.

 

Dixie:

Did you get any info on the optimum pressure set point?

Also, how'd the install end up being? Did the bed of the truck have to come off?

Matt

 

Only one post related a pressure which was 14, I will be raising it to around 15, we will see how it comes out. Install is simple and only requires drilling four holes in the frame, self tapping bolts go in to secure it. The rest of the install is just bolting it to the frame and installing the fuel hose and electric harness.

It took me about five hours.... which included running 14 miles to town for small parts and looking for my air drill for over an hour. found it under the utility trailer on the grass. Had not rusted up too bad yet The unit comes very complete with all fittings clamps and all but the nylon ties and knife to cut the fuel line. The pickup line connects directly to the tank with a new quick disconnect, to an AN-8 and 90 degree fitting on the pump end eliminating the entire fuel system of the original system. The pickup bed would not have to come off or be raised. On mine, I don't have one.