[quote author=Christian Roth link=board=7;threadid=13738;start=15#129963 date=1050857410]<br>Nathan, let me get this straight, you want edge to produce a box for you so you don't have to change the injectors all the time. The 45 minutes must be killing ya. <br>[/quote]<br><br>45 minute injector swap <br>Wow I'm impressed. <br>Done a few of 'em huh?

 

Many high HP guys just dont post dyno sheets. I can tell ya that Nathans numbers are real. I have the run files here with me on my computer.<br><br>It is difficult to compare HP numbers with different dynos and locales. That I agree with.<br><br>Nathan swaps out injectors all the time. From mild to wild. <br>He generally runs a DD2. A great and clean running injector for daily driving.<br><br>Don~<br>

 

[quote author=Christian Roth link=board=7;threadid=13738;start=15#129963 date=1050857410]<br>[quote author=Don M link=board=7;threadid=13738;start=15#129744 date=1050771836]<br>Christian,<br><br>We too can build an injector that will make 500RWHP with no box, but this is not our objective. Nathans top HP number was <br>634RWHP with the 5's.<br><br>What was your top HP number? I heard around 638RWHP. Is this correct? <br><br>Don~<br>[/quote]<br><br>Nathan can you post your dyno slip? I would definitley like to look at it.<br><br>Don you know yourself that it is very hard to compare two different trucks on two different dynos. As you have said before, injectors only delivery 1/2 of what is needed to make power. Becasue of this we would be comparing turbo setups. Don't get me wrong, Nathan put down some great numbers.<br><br>Nathan, let me get this straight, you want edge to produce a box for you so you don't have to change the injectors all the time. The 45 minutes must be killing ya. <br><br>I would rather run dd2 or dd3 as a way to limit myself to all that power. Long term engine protection, and do you really need over 500HP for the street.???<br><br><br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br>Christian,<br><br>I'll attach my run files for you. You need the free program off of dynojet.com to run them but I suspect you already have that.<br><br>I think a greater defueling program in a Edge box would be something many people would like. The injector swap doesn't really bother me too much but I know a few that would like to buy one set larger injectors, if they could, and be able to street them. Flexibility is the name of the game and this would just make the Edge box more flexible. I might get shot down when I approach them with this idea but sometimes outside input is what advances product design. Manufacturers aren't the only ones with ideas yet they might be the only ones able to make things work due to many factors, one of which is cost.<br><br>There are some people that dont do their own wrenching yet like to street race/dyno/ 1/4mile that might like to use something larger than a DD2 or 3 for everyday driving. If they could run these larger injectors without doing any more damage to their motors than the 2's or 3's dont you think this would be an advantage?<br><br>As far as the dyno slip is concerned the two jumps are overlapping because when my truck shifted into OD it surged and I had to slow it down to around 70mph before I ran. As you'll see there are no spikes in the graph. It goes up and flat lines.<br><br>Nathan<br>P.S. I tried to attach the file but you can only attch .jpg's here so if you want I can email it to you. Don might know how to transfer it to a .jpg and post it otherwise. Don? BTW it is posted on the nwbombers.com website. It is under the competition forum and the Rotten Rhonda thread.

 

here is a Jpeg of the run. Its legit!<br><br>Don~

 

Nice <br>I didn't doubt it for a second.<br><br>What was the correction factor??

 

The correction factor was 1.1. Our elevation is about 2800ft.

 

Are the HP ratings of the Mach injectors based on ETC or ETH tests?

I like the idea of a Mach 3 giving me over 125hp in my ETH with the smoke of a DD2...

Justin

 

that is pretty cool!! thanks for sharing!

 

I figured this is as good a place as any to post this, and since he's shy, I'm gonna brag for him.

Using Don's Mach 3's, a KSB1B, TST PM3 Competition version on level 7, Scotty II, and an ATS tranny with EmJay controller, Meachim Evins just cranked off a 13.19 @ 100.9 mph 1/4 mile time. I firmly believe that a large part of that 1/4 mile time comes from the monster mid-range power that Don's 3's are giving him.

Now if I can just talk Meachim out of some more money, I think we'll try a KSB1 and see what happens

Rod

 

That's a great run for Meachim. Would you say the 3's are about the same (hp wise) as a Supermental? Just wondering since he and I have about the same setup (except for turbo and injectors... I'm running the 40 and Supermentals) and run very similar times (13.19 @100.9 vs 13.22 @ 102.4). How would 4's compare A) in power to the 3s and B) in smoke to the 3s? Do the 3s smoke like a DD2? DD3? Supermental? IMO the Supermentals are very streetable, but I'm interested in what kind of improvement can be had....

John

 

Johner, I have the mach 4s and off boost they smoke more than dd3s. They are streetable but you have watch yourself in low boost, low rpm conditions. With the ez on it at setting3 it will smoke almost as much as your dads off boost. Without the ez it still puts out a good cloud off boost but you can controll it pretty easy if you watch yourself . They are pretty amazing injectors very smooth tons of low end and at full power they will tax your drivetrain. Tim

 

John,

From all the reports the Mach 3's smoke less than DD3's and are giving around 140-150hp. Mach 4's definately can be streeted as I ran Mach 5's very easily on the street. It's all in how you drive though.

 

[quote author=Timinva link=board=7;threadid=13738;start=30#msg191769 date=1065093214]
Johner, I have the mach 4s and off boost they smoke more than dd3s. They are streetable but you have watch yourself in low boost, low rpm conditions. With the ez on it at setting3 it will smoke almost as much as your dads off boost. Without the ez it still puts out a good cloud off boost but you can controll it pretty easy if you watch yourself . They are pretty amazing injectors very smooth tons of low end and at full power they will tax your drivetrain. Tim
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Holy TIMING, BAtman, you are running your Mach 4s and an EZ!!! I am kinda surprised.

When I ran my EZ as a boost fooler only, my DD2s only smoke a tiny litle puff, and that WFO just off idle at 6000 FEET!! I can't tell you how SMOOTH it is on just the injectors-- it's incredible. It certainly conveys the impression that the engine's happier with the timing of the EZ disabled (at least with the injectors).

I am thinking that Mach4s would be plenty streetable. I want to favor the injectors vice electronic boxes-- these ETHs LOVE the injectors!

At this point, I am going to step up to a TST pmax comp. I like being able to turn off the box easily and run on just the injectors, and of course, insane fueling is availble with it on....

BTW-- ROD, back me up on this one. I am becoming convinced that once you step up to a large (stg 3 or bigger) injector, you don't need any more timing advance at WOT.

 

[quote author=banshee link=board=7;threadid=13738;start=30#msg191766 date=1065092293]
1) That's a great run for Meachim. Would you say the 3's are about the same (hp wise) as a Supermental?

2) How would 4's compare A) in power to the 3s and B) in smoke to the 3s? Do the 3s smoke like a DD2? DD3? Supermental?[/quote]

1) Yep, somewhere in there. Don's injectors are a little underrated, and we've had a couple guys pound out 140 with the 3's, which is a hair more than Supermental

2 a) 4's are at _minimum_ 25 more pony than a 3

2 b) 4's will smoke more than Mach 3s or DD3s, but will probably smoke a little less than your SuperMentals. The Mach 3's have smoke very similar to a DD2.

One thing to keep in mind with the 4's is that you may not have quite enough turbo to keep them happy, although you've got a decent sized housing, which will help.

Rod

 

I either have to race at a lower altitude or get bigger injectors. 13 second crowd is getting bigger all the time.

Congrats on the nice times.

Will it ever end?