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Old Nov 16, 2011 | 04:57 PM
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Deleting in tank pump

Can someone please let me know what the least expensive way of deleting the I tank pump is? I keep comkn up with the 5-600 dollar range and that is too expensive to me.

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Old Nov 16, 2011 | 11:19 PM
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get a drawstraw 30-60$ and any flavor electric pump or get a mechanical belt driven pump(DTT, Mitsu, fuel boss to name a few)

can be done for 250 and up
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JARHEAD
Can someone please let me know what the least expensive way of deleting the I tank pump is? I keep comkn up with the 5-600 dollar range and that is too expensive to me.

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I am going through it right now, bought the faas pump, draw straw and relocation kit through Geno's for less than $400. Then the labor comes in......
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 10:09 AM
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forget the draw straw. use a jeep liberty fuel canister (off the diesel liberty) (and yes it will fit in the 2nd gen trucks without modding but the sending unit on the 4th gen trucks will have to be swapped over so the 4th gen trucks gauge will read correctly). the fass kit you bought did you buy one for in tank pump or no in tank pump (as there are 2 kits). OR find someone that has the old canister that does not have the in tank pump and git r dun without the draw straw that causes 1/4 tank fuel issues. the fass kits that are for NO in tank pump has a quick dissconnect fitting that clicks right onto the factory feed line on the canstier. no cutting, no holes in the tank, no 1/4 tank fuel issues.
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Old Nov 17, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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The Vulcan Big Line Kit and DSV was pretty easy to install. I went with a 150gph frame mounted Raptor too. See about 18psi constant. I dropped my tank and plummed my pump and fittings in a gravel drive during a downpour with about 2" of water on the ground....cant get any worse than that right ???

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Old Nov 18, 2011 | 10:42 PM
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tanderson, yep it can get worse...what was the temp???? that is my problem right now. Winters in Juneau are horrible. not because of cold, but because it is a mix of rain, snow, and ice....freaking crap. My garage has NO room to pull the bed back so i will have to drop the tank also. Was it that big of a deal? I have dropped a tank before but been a long time.
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Old Nov 18, 2011 | 10:56 PM
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another question, i did talk to vulcan today and they have the draw straw made to work with the in-tank pump module. the question is should i try to find a non-pump module and go that route or is that setup that they have good to go??
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Old Nov 19, 2011 | 01:35 AM
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tanderson, yep it can get worse...what was the temp???? that is my problem right now. Winters in Juneau are horrible. not because of cold, but because it is a mix of rain, snow, and ice....freaking crap. My garage has NO room to pull the bed back so i will have to drop the tank also. Was it that big of a deal? I have dropped a tank before but been a long time.
Dropping the tank is no big deal, you can also loosen the bolts on the passenger side and remove the bolts on the drivers side and tilt the bed for access.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 01:36 PM
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another question, i did talk to vulcan today and they have the draw straw made to work with the in-tank pump module. the question is should i try to find a non-pump module and go that route or is that setup that they have good to go??
Go with the draw straw 5 (DS-V) and remove the intank pump (assuming that is what you have) and drill some holes in the bootom with a step bit to allow better pick-up. All in all it was not too much work. I also went with the big line kit with 1/2" plumbing all the way to the VP-44. Bet you and a buddy could do the whole job in a day. PM me if you get your stuff and want some tips.

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 08:35 PM
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I built my own flexible 1/2in line into the bottom of my fuel pick-up. I rigged up a custom fitting so there is no air leakage issues. Lots of people have fueling issues at low tank levels with the draw straw, biggest reason the float isn't allowed to travel fully to the bottom of the tank. I have no issues with low fuel levels.

I'm currently running a walbro 255lph pump, $100 on-special pump. I have around 45psi at the injection pump. Its pretty easy to spend money. I used to run a fass 150, but it died and I'm too cheap to pay $285 to fix it.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 05:51 PM
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If you look into the fuel boss, which in my opinion when done right is a fine unit, you will want to ditch the in tank fuel pump module and go with the original style tank module(without pump). I have a draw straw and has to be the single worst idea in the world. If you ride around flat city streets and such day in and day out might be ok. If you actually work your truck, live on the side of a mountain like I do with a driveway made for mountain goats then you will experience 1/4 tank issues and even 1/2 tank issues with a draw straw. My straw is set right on the bottom of the tank, and still runs out when running steep hills or off road work.

I bought a brand new original style unit for my truck today, Dodge still sells them. Better break out your pocket book though, they really like them. I like the fuel boss and with my new old style unit back in place I think I will pick up the original block mounted pump and wire it back in. The fuel boss has a switch that will kill the electric once 5psi is hit. This way I have an electric back up if anything should happen. I'm finding being redundant on this truck is a good idea.

Only problem, fuel boss will run you about 6 bills, as will the FASS or Airdog. Got any questions call out to Glacier and talk to Richard, he's helped me out and might have an answer you need.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 10:01 PM
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I actually tried a couple of Holleys but they both ended up leaking at 18 psi. after a few months I think any of the above upgrades are a great improvement over the factory setup. My Raptor-150 does whine for a sec. when I turn the ignition on before startup but its not that loud.
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 06:06 AM
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I was going to replace my in tank pump with a fass and draw straw, but got scared off by what I read. My mechanic asked me a few things that changed my mind...
"Why do you want to change everything around when your pump lasted for almost 300,000 miles and replacing it with the same OEM pump will be less costly than going with some kind of aftermarket kit that won't last 100,000 miles? You read too much internet!"
So I went back with the OEM pump.
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 09:00 PM
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Ranchertx,

Your one of the lucky ones. My engine mounted went out at 98k, killed the injector pump with it. Dodge put the intank pump conversion in. It lasted about 30,000 miles, I may be a bit high with that number. Dodge had two strikes wasn't throwing another pitch.

A buddy of mine has had an airdog on his for four years, no issues.
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Old Nov 24, 2011 | 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ranchertx
I was going to replace my in tank pump with a fass and draw straw, but got scared off by what I read. My mechanic asked me a few things that changed my mind...
"Why do you want to change everything around when your pump lasted for almost 300,000 miles and replacing it with the same OEM pump will be less costly than going with some kind of aftermarket kit that won't last 100,000 miles? You read too much internet!"
So I went back with the OEM pump.
300,000miles is virtually impossible! if it lasted that long, it had likely failed 200,000miles earlier, and more than likely failed at 30-40k, the stock pump has a sketchy past, if you must use one you need a fuel pressure gauge.

My truck went thru 3 stock ones and the average cost at aftermarket places for a stock pump was over 300$ Cummins was selling for 190-200$, I got an Airdog after the 3rd pump, that was 5yrs ago(aprox 4500hrs run time) and that same pump is now its second truck.

not saying Airdog was better as I went thru 1 replacement,(lasted approx 1500hrs run time) but it was free, and the failed AD out lasted 3 stockers
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