Ok I understand a lil more now after seein it broke down.

Also and to me a daily driver is somethin I just drive everyday, it doesn't tow it just gets me to work and since I don't live very far havin a truck is a lil "rough" probably wouldn't bother me, and we have no smoke laws so that wouldn't be a huge problem.

Now to make a 600HP 12v Tow rig, yeah I could so it takin a very large sum of money.

 

My 96 is a 600+hp truck, but I would not recommened it for a daily driver. It had a lot of money poured into it when I took it off the guy's hands. He got into trouble with money with the truck, because of it. I think he told me he had about 10,000 or more in it when he sold it to me for 15,000. I have put another 2,000-3,000 in it since I have had it. But back to the daily driver thing, I don't really know if I could afford to drive mine every day. I driver 10 miles to work, but because of the stupid traffic lights, I smoke everytime I take off. A 600hp truck if going to do that, and mine is a manual, so it is even worse. It is cool though, because little ricers will mess with you, and believe me you can out run them. If you really are going that high and you have a lot of money to spend, send the engine off to Garmon, PDR, or Scheid and let them bulid it. You will not be disapponited.

 

My daily Driven 12v (also the only automobile I own) just produced 621 hp on David Dunbars dyno saturday morning at scheids diesel extravganza

It utilizes a single turbocharger, and the power was made on fuel only (no nos, no water, nothing) the truck does not have a valet switch and achieved 19mpg on the 250 mile ride up to terre haute crusing at 75 mph with 4:10 gears

It does not smoke a lick during normal driving and aceleration, and anyone who has a problem with excessive smoke at light throttle needs some help tuning their afc

Also it was nice meeting John Porterfield by the dyno saturday, everyone always comments on how nice you are and they are right, I enjoyed talking to you.

-Patrick

 

Back tho this

I agree with Signature 600, John P, and Wana12V.. now while i dont have a 600 horse 12V, i do have a small set of twins that with the right tuning MIGHT produce 600 horses. But if you tow with the truck or daily drive it, its gonna smoke at even 450 plus rear wheel horsepower. My estimates with 181 DVs and Dragon flies im in the 475 rwhp range possibly the 500 on a conservative estimate. I just traded off some laser cuts for some 191s, that for sure will put me in the 500 range with conservative tuning, and estimates. It is not easy to do so..

Power builds so easy on these trucks up to about 350 rwhp, beyond that u start losing efficiency with the stock HX35 and will have too much smoke if you do not know how to tune the truck. TIming again, and injectors will further benefit the person, but without proper tuning will kill ur HP..

IE the reasons my truck has dynoed so low... Full fuel and smoke IS NOT always the answer.. As i get closer to approaching my goal of doing the same thing, it just feels like its getting harder and harder to do so, unless I dump some big money into my seemingly stock 215 pump, which will then hurt my abilities to tow with the truck, something i do often enough...

IS a pump with a valet switch teh answer to my problem? I am not certain, but its worth a shot. Will I? time will tell, but for now, i want a house more than I want a 600 horse 12V, have i been discouraged? YES.... will that stop me from eventually trying? PROBLY NOT... hehehehehe...

Again as stated, its not easy, u dont have the tunability in a 12 valve that you do with a common rail ora 24V.. again, its all a tradeoff, simplicity and tools with "set tuning" or electronic gizmoz with not so set tuning that can be changed on the fly....

lemme ask, how many of the real high HP 12V's have valet switches and are daily driven? ON FUEL ALONE? nitrous might be a different story, BUT the only 12 v i can think of thats daily driven on super high hp on fuel alone is maddog...

Rick

 

Rick I just took my head to Joe Hellman to get some work done, he's got a 10 second truck that is SWEET. I was talking to him and he said that sending a 215 pump to a shop isn't necassary for 600+ horsepower, he had also just taken that truck and had it inspected (it passed btw) with no valet and an EASY 600+ rwhp. I think you might need to try higher timing, I had mine set at 18.5* and it was deffinately 400+rwhp on the stock charger. And I drove it everyday and towed 20k-24k in valet mode no problem... Now that I will have firerings I will most likely bump my timing to 20* or so and throw a good single on or small twins to hit 600 rwhp.

 

I dont have tools to set timing

i dont know how to set timing, nor do i have time to set timing, I will pay someone to do it for me that knows how and is close.. im thinkin cliff at trucksourcediesel... Reason i aint bumped it up yet, im still on a stock headgasket and so forth.. I cant kill the thing, but then again i aint tryin LOL....

anyways who is joe hellman? and where is he located? perhaps worth me savin some coin if he can tune my ride for me....

Rick

 

how much timing can you run on a stock head gasket? also does any body run scheids lightning turbo?

 

I wouln't run more than 16.5* on a DD truck. Some have gone to 18*

The timing increases cylinder pressures as it advances more.

Go look at that 97?

 

I ran 18.5* on mine for like 4 months and everything was going great until one day it finally let go... (It was already leaking when I bought the truck though)

Rick, I was trying to come across like I was "cappin' " on you, your truck has more power than mine and you deffinately have more invested in it. I was trying to give you my opinion... If I had timing tools I would set it for you if you wanted, I did mine and my friends when I borrowed a kit a while back.

Joe Hellmann is the guy who owns this truck www.hellmannperformance.com . I got to check it out when I dropped my head off with him, it is deffinately intreguing!

 

I am running 19.5, which might be a touch too much.

 

Sounds interesting, single charger and all. Who's charger, how were the EGT's, and any other airflow improvements (Porting, etc) if you dont mind spilling the beans....

 

16.5

i havent had problems yet.., just a leak but it sorta stopped itself... Yes there is coolant in the system..

Rick

 

I ran 17* with a B1 at 40psi on my old 95...towing often and heavy, with EGT's in the 12-1300* range while towing!

Then put Super B Twins on and ran 60psi at 17*...stock head bolts and gasket, 300K miles on her.

Then I changed to a HX40/B2 setup, and the timing slipped to 13*...but it lived spiking to 76psi a couple times, 1800+* EGT's, and still factory at 315K miles.

Today, at 336K miles, the head still hasn't been off, but it's detuned to about 275hp with a stock charger, and 17* timing!


The 98 was at 20* and 40psi when it blew...going back together with LOTS of extras...sometime!
Chris

 

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Patrick:

Thanks for your kind words! It was a pleasure to have met you too! Now what I need to do is get all you guys (haloman, jwb600) to tell Greg Hogue (COMP 461) all this good stuff! Myself and my two good friends from Scheid Diesel (Rick and Brian) ending up running a total of 114 trucks on Scheids Mustang Dyno for both Friday and Saturday. We didn't finish on Saturday until almost 8:00 P.M.!

Thanks alot for coming by!

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John_P

 

thanks for the info guys. i went to go look @ the '97 2500. it looks good on the out side and in. drives good, no leakage, no abnormal noises...the guy said it had a new cluch and rebuilt trans. i wounder why this thing didnt have a goose neck ball? only 165000 miles & wanting 10K on a used car lot