97ram2500

the other day i was talking to a friend about getting more power. he told me i should try looking at a 6 gun for my truck. i checked them out and they dont look bad. has anyone ever had problems with them? im just looking for general info about what it can do for my truck and anything else it will help out

displacedtexan

IMHO there are better products on the market.

And if you have a 97 you can't get one. All mechanical No chips. Still easy to get more power.

Welcome to DTR, and have you fixed your KDP?

Tiger Rag

Just say no to Banks products. There are much better products on the market for less money. The 6 gun splices into too many factory wiring harnesses using scotch lock connectors instead of plugging into harnesses. This is a problem waiting to happen. Do a search on Banks and you'll find plenty of reasons to stay away.

Sounds like you have a 97 anyway so a programmer isn't applicable. Since you've got a 12 valve you've got plenty of cheap and free mods you can do instead. You can get a fueling plate, and a GSK (governors spring kit) along with a few adjustments (push fueling plate forward, adjust starwheel, time the pump) and you're off to the races.

Good luck, Matt

sumner

If you can find a good deal on one get it. Its safe reliable power. You can get more power if you want with others, but personally, I wanted more power that was safe and not going to tear anything up. I have the 6 gun and speedloader, and there is only 1 splice that you need to do. Everything else is plug in harnesses.

The majority of people on here bash banks, but if you want safe reliable power and you can get a good deal , go for it. If you are looking for a drag truck, look elsewhere. Just my .02

Tiger Rag

Here's some good light reading for you on Banks and why folks don't particularly care for them.

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...1&page=1&pp=15

Just trying to help a brother out.....

blackdiesel

dosnt matter if the six gun is good or not. he cant use it on his 12v. rick or some other 12 valver needs to chime in here and help him out

TxDiesel007

Thanks brian for pointin this one out, and to the original asker...

as far as the six gun goes, its useless on a 12V, if you want more power you can do many things to your 12V, but a six gun is not one of them. Here below you can read up on some ideas to better power up that 12V of yours. I have an uncle who has a 6 gun for a powerstroke, and its decent for a ford, but if you wanna "chip" a 98.5 or newer truck, there is better than banks. Heck i USED TO have a full on powerpack, i wasnt impressed....

THIS is just to get a little more power out of your ram. You can do serveral things, i see you are getting gauges, and you have an air intake on the way. which is good. Now this is an into to the main power source of the ram, Your P7100 Pump, and what you can tweak on it for more power. You can also time it, but thats advanced, well at least for me... use this as an intro more than anything.. I tried my best to explain it.... here goes... and

I meant to say post.... sorry.....

Here is an intro the link to the pic might not work, but u can see it as banks plate in my gallery.....

to get more power out of your truck the first and foremost investment is a good set of gauges. These are a must anytime that you are adding more fuel to your mix.

A governers spring kit, Reffered to as a GSK is a wonderful investment that widens your normally narrow powerband from the 12 valve engine and allows you to fuel hard to at least 3200 RPMS or so, before it starts to defuel, this is all dependant on your governer arm adjustment and your plate positioning. A Torque, or fuel plate should come next. NO one really follows the plate guide anymore and the most popular plates nowadays are 100 (PM northslope for wicked work! ) and a zero plate. Piers Diesel Research and Hot Rod Diesels have them for the same price, The fuel plate... here is my explanation....

Torque plates.... ok this is a torque plate right here... https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...=500&page=1

More commonly reffered to as fuel plates, they come in different numbers to explain how "aggressive" (for lack of a better term at the moment) that they are 10, 8, 6, 5, 0, and 100, zero being a flatt plate that bombards the pump with fuel, and a 100 being a ten plate curve with no top end defueling, much like the zero.. The one you see there is my banks plate, screwy yes, i know, i dont get it myself. that plate goes in the P7100 injector pump, It goes under what is called the AFC housing, which has a little starwheel on it, the starwheel can be accessed with the removal of the hex dealy using the the right hex head size plug, and u loosen it for more smoke, and better lower end, and tighten it for the inverse. Use a good screwdriver.... furthermore... You will see four screws there where the starwheel is, two that are flatt, one that is possibly a breakoff screw that can be a real PITA to remove, take a hammer and good screwdriver and bang the tar outta it, it will come off, if that fails, left hand drill bit... Looking down the driver side, the top left hand is the breakaway, and the top right is a regular screw as well, the bottom two are 8mm bolts and you need to get around to one that is in the back of the AFC housing that holds that fuel shutdown solenoid in place...

Install time, for a newbie, well it will take you about a couple of hours at most. If you read my literal "dissertation" of a post hehehehehehe. it tells u the procedure on how to do it. Your only real problem might be that break off screw, especially if your truck is stock, However, nothing a good strong screwdriver and some persuasion cannot take care of.

The other tricky bolt is the one (if you look down from the drivers side) behind the Fuel shutdown soleniod (electronic hooked up deal that bolts in front of the injector pump, easily removed with in my case an 8mm (and most should be too) socket and pull out the two bolts. when you undo those ull notice that there is one in the back that is holding the housing, you can just loosen the one in the rear using a deep 8 mm socket and just move teh shutdown soleniod out of the way, (downward) and then you can get to the plate..

When you are in there its simple adjustment, u just remove the stock plate and put the other plate in place of that one. NOTICE you have some play here. If you dont have gauges, dont set it full forward, If you do have gauges set it forward for a 30 or so rwhp increase!

Now put it back together and you are done. Installation is simply the reverse of removing it.PS having a magnetic tip screwdriver REALLY HELPS...

Which one is right for you.. id say the ten if you are not gonna be that aggressive with it, but the 100 is downright WICKED!! that be the one to go with, the zero is just too much at the low end for me but for dynos and racin, its awesome!.. The zero, PM Northslope AWESOME AWESOME WORK, and ull be helpin out a fellow DTR member, and the zero plate you can grind yourself, well you can do either or, but PM northslope do a search for plate grinding, started by gunracer1.. good instructions..

Either ways, you are going to need a clutch or tranny work if its an auto.....if you are going to play hard, in most cases if you just want a modest power gain, just get a 10 plate, set it a lil bit forward, and a GSK will wake up your truck. In the stock position its easily drivable and fun as well.

Waste gate, if i was good with pictures id put one up for you, but im sure you know what the wastegate looks like, that head looking deal, it is usually hooked to a rubber or similar airline, you want a little more boost? You can get a longer hose or pinch it up, There is a thread, i dont member where tho, where it shows someone improperly blocking the wastgate with a screw.... Well that aint good.. Anyways

Also make sure you get the KDP done on that truck as well... Not hard to do, look in my previous posts, KDP Report Using TST kit, or somethin similar to that......

PS this is cut and paste of other posts, sorry if its redundant....

Best of luck and hope that this helps..


Tx

sumner

sorry man, didn't realize you had a 12er until the second time i read it... Glad someone caught it...