The media hipe on the threating war and higher fuel prices is a load of...(fill in the blank). If i am not mistaken Mexico is in the top 15% of the petrol producing countries, and I think we support most of them pretty good! Even if the Middle East completely cut of shipments the prices shouldent go up at all! The current prices are even out of site, they're just using the media to make us think the rise is just a side affect. All we have to do is start buying from Mexico and start paying $1.00 for fuel again.

 

I only know of one word that describes this situation: GREED!!<br>There is a lot of oil and natural gas in Alaska and Northern Canada. If the oil from Mexico is included, well.....Greed. I hate it.<br>John

 

I thought Venezuela was having some sort of a strike by it's oil workers. That was contributing to the cost of oil going up.

 

[quote author=TBGH link=board=10;threadid=11693;start=0#110871 date=1046635365]<br>I only know of one word that describes this situation: GREED!!<br>There is a lot of oil and natural gas in Alaska and Northern Canada. If the oil from Mexico is included, well.....Greed. I hate it.<br>John<br>[/quote]<br>Wrong.... not greed, TREASON!

 

Treason, then let us hang 'em high!
John

 

I may thow in some cents here:<br><br>First: The world oil market has shown a very short temper all the times, because any lack of oil would literally trash an economy. So if there are just rumours of shortages the price will go up because it is inaffordable to have no oil.<br>Second: Any refinery depends on a very specific set of crude oil. You can not just change from one crude to another without heavily modifying the process in the refinery. A very determining factor for fuel production price is the sulfur content of the oil. The middle east sources are the sweetest crudes available ( low sulfur) and contain the most directly useable CH chains. Lots of other oils like from Alaska do contain more sulfur and are composed of mainly long chained CH- meaning they are more like tar than like diesel or gasoline. With these oils you have to crack the long chains in a catalytic process to get the desired short chains. <br>Then there is the content of cyclic aromates. (Like benzole) Some of them are highly carcinogene substances and have to be removed or converted before use. <br>Third: There is an infrastructure to import this many barrels of oil from one source and another infrastructure to import another amount from another source. You can not just shift suppliers easily because there is simply no capacity to get lets say double amount of oil from Mexico or whereever and then process and distribute it throughout the whole country in a snap.<br>I think that the theory of greed would lead to the conclusion that if I was capable to sell the stuff profitable for 10c less per gallon I could make a fortune by doing so. <br>And the suspicion of treason: Who is the traitor, and by what did this &quot;traitor&quot; commit treason? <br><br>Just some cents from my vast oil profits ;D <br><br>AlpineRAM<br><br>ps: Diesel is right now at a little over US$3/gal over here.. suspected to rise another 5-15c / gal because taxes seem to be too low right now <br>

 

AlpineRam,<br>How does the price of diesel compare to the price of gasoline over there?<br>Here right now, diesel is priced about 2 cents cheaper the the Highest octane unleaded gasoline. <br>It used to be about 5 cents cheaper than low octane unleaded.

 

Shovelhead: Over here it's about like that: <br><br>Road fuels: Diesel around 80-83 c / Liter<br>Standard Gasoline is about 12% more (91 octane) then Euro (95 octane) is another 5% more. <br>Special (98-100 octane) is about 25% more than diesel.<br><br>Heating oil Extra (same as diesel, but dyed) is about 30% cheaper than diesel.<br>Biodiesel ( RME) for road use is about 5% cheaper than diesel, but contains 3-6% less energy for the same volume <br><br>AlpineRAM

 

So over there Diesel is still cheaper than gasoline?
My point is that over here diesel is 2 cents cheaper than the most expensive gasoline.
I don't know how the OTR truckers can stay in business over here with these fuel prices.

 

Yep, diesel is still cheaper. This is mainly due to tax reasons. Diesel is taxed lower because of the trucking business. <br>Gas is taxed higher because it's a luxury to drive a car. <br>But we had a major increase in vehicle tax 2 yrs ago ( the RAM is about 130 US$ tax- per month) and there is a vehicle sales tax that goes up to 39% of the net value. Oh well highway fee a measly 70US$ / year... and some toll roads too if you want to get somewhere. <br><br>AlpineRAM

 

My in-laws have a small trucking bussiness. It costs about a $1 a mile for these trucks now. As shipping costs go up, so will the price of the products to the purchaser.

 

Treason= just a little sarcasm/satire against the oil companys for taking the opportunity to gouge their customers (fellow citizens) at a time of crisis. The president preaches for us to pull together as the oil company's fill his pockets.<br><br>What is hard for Amercans to understand is how can the price for something change when it doesn't cost any more to produce, just because of indecision for war. More than likely, even if the president declared war, the price would drop some just because a decision has been made. I understand they raise the price to keep the reserve level high, but there aught to be a better way than to price gouge, or at least put the money prifited towards something productive instead of their bank accounts.

 

Had an executive from Chevron on the local news, interviewing about fuel costs and he stated:
&quot;Utah uses no Middle East Oil or Foreign Oil, all our oil comes from Domestic sources&quot;.
I assume this means American Crude, or at least North American crude.

So, why in the &quot;heck&quot; (utahism) did Utah gas/diesel prices go up so much?

As of today, Diesel is now 1 cent more than Supreme Unleaded at the 2 stations I frequent.
Normally, it is cheaper than the lowest grade unleaded.
When prices started climbing, Diesel price was equal to and tracked right along with the &quot;midrange&quot; unleaded.

Still glad I got a diesel though, better MPG than comparable gasoline powered truck.


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