The guy that reportedly shot the bad guy first and was citizen with a Concealed Carry Liscense. He got wounded, but the bad guy then broke off and left the scene. He probably kept a lot of others from being wounded of killed.

2 killed in Tyler shooting; arrest made

03:32 PM CST on Thursday, February 24, 2005


From Staff and Wire Reports


Chuck Cowan / Special Contributor
Police summon help for one of the shooting victims. TYLER, Texas - A man with a high-powered rifle opened fire in the town square near the Smith County Courthouse, killing two people and wounding two law-enforcement officers before being shot and arrested, authorities said.

A Smith County Sheriff's deputy, a Tyler police officer and a civilian were injured, police spokesman Don Martin said. The fatalities, a man and a woman, were not law enforcement officers.

"The suspect was also shot at the scene. He left the scene and officers gave chase. He's now in custody," Martin said, adding that the suspect was being treated at a hospital.

No identities have been released.

"When I heard that popping ... I ran over there and I saw this guy with this automatic weapon already starting shooting, and two deputies were down," said Margo Adkins, who works at the county clerk's office. "One was holding his hand up saying, 'Please don't shoot. Stop shooting,' and I saw him shoot him again"

Adkins said the gunman appeared to be using an automatic assault rifle.

Another clerk's office employee, Kirk Krisle, said he saw four persons who had been hit by what sounded like automatic weapons fire.

"We were eating lunch in the Don Juan's restaurant and we heard gunshots in downtown Tyler," an unidentified witness told KLTV. "There was literally a man standing in the street shooting an automatic weapon, repeatedly."

Attorney Chuck Cowan said he heard at least 50 shots and witnessed a Smith County bailiff being carried to an FBI vehicle.


WFAA-TV "He had a rifle, and he was shooting at the back of the courthouse and he shot some glass out, shot a deputy sheriff there and two other civilians," said Deputy U.S. Marshal John Walker.

He said an off-duty Tyler police officer shot the gunman, who got in a pickup truck and drove away.

Television footage showed at least one person lying on the courthouse steps. A spokeswoman at the East Texas Medical Center said wounded people have been admitted but didn't have more details.

"From what I understand at this moment, there was a guy upset about a court case going on, possibly a paternity case," Walker said.

KLTV-TV reports that a suspect was taken into custody on a highway north of Tyler.

Tyler is about 95 miles east of Dallas
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Boy, that reporter seems to really like saying "Automatic", doesn't he?
I've never seen an "Automatic" weapon.
They've ALL needed someone to pull the trigger first.

 

Amen!

 

Unfortunatly, the consealed gun carrier has died.

 

Our thoughts will be with the family of the CCW dude that put himself in harm's way to save others.

 

The reporters don't know the difference between automatic and semi-auto. They just like the buzz word.. adds impact to their otherwise dry stories.

 

I missed the part where it said he was shot by a civilian. Where was that at?

 

Here is an update:

http://www.tylerpaper.com/site/news....d=226369&rfi=6

 

That was a disturbed individual...shooting his own son....

with prior DV issues, one has to wonder how he did get the weapon

assault rifles can be chambered for 22lr. When someone sees a rifle, they immediately squeal "HIGH POWERED".

what a shame! - JKE

 

It's the good guys that have problems getting guns, the bad guys never have a problem. Anyone can go out and buy a stolen weapon in a matter of hours.

 

Something to think about:
When I practice shoot for my liscense renewal, I use the torso targets. I divide my shots between the chest and the head. I started doing this a few years ago when they had the bank shoot out in LA . If you can't shoot outside the body armor, you'll end up like the poor guy in Tyler. I don't know what type of weapon the guy had, but a 44 mag has enough impact that it will disrupt the bad guys shooting for a couple of seconds.

 

From the news article:
They traded shots, missing each other, and then the gunman hit Wilson and Wilson went down," said Nelson Clyde III, publisher of the Tyler Morning Telegraph, recalling the shooting as he watched from Don Juan's.


There's a difference between "missing" with your shots and the shots having no effect due to the target wearing body armor.
Looks like the reporter wants the public to think the CCW'er was just spraying lead.

These folks need to get a clue.

 

There have been other reports that said his shots had no effect because of the body armor.

 

Ok guys. Please excuse my ignorance, but I truly know squat about guns. So if I could ask a couple of questions here... An AK-47 is an automatic weapon, is it not? My definition of automatic would be the ability to shoot multiple rounds with one squeeze of the trigger. Semi-auto would be one round per trigger squeeze, with no reloading action required by the operator (as opposed to pump-action, bolt action single shot weapons) What caliber is it?

Most people who don't know guns would classify automatics as high powered, I would think. Also, if the reporter can be believed (yeah,I know, it's a stretch) all the mentions of "automatic" and "High powered" seemed to come from eye witnesses. Probably the most unreliable form of evidence known to law-enforcement. Most reporters aren't gun people, are they?

This is of course a horrible thing that happened in Tyler, and I mean no disrespect to those shot and those who lost their lives in this incident.

 

7.62x39 and 5.45x39...not sure if there were other calibers offered.
auto = not very likely, but could have been. He may have known what modifications to make it full auto. It can be done...the more I thnk about it, the more this nut job may have had a full auto.

However, his couple of hundred rounds would not have lasted very long.

Pure speculation at this point. - JKE

You can have full auto 22lr also...different weapon.