A "legal" AK-47 is Semi-automatic. Yes they were made full-auto as well, but you have to have permission by the ATF to possess one of those. Not all full-auto are high powered. An example is the (H&K)MP-5 or 10 which shoots pistol ammo. They can be possessed and ordered in semi-auto. Most can be altered to fire full auto, I don't understand why though. With practice you can fire quicker with some guns manually and have better shot placement. Particularly shotguns.

Crobtex, that's called the "key-hole". Nipple line to brow line and between the ears. Best area because you also stand a chance at hitting the weapon while he's looking down the sights.

 

Thanks for the enlightenment and clarification guys. Much appreciated. Like I said, I'm not a gun person. I'm also NOT an anti-gun person. Everybody's choice is just that.

Because of my lack of exposure to firearms, I'm just not confident in my ability to shoot safely. Therefore I choose not to own one.

I always thought an Ak 47 was a fully auto weapon. And, while I realize that "high powered" has to do with muzzle velocity, I would think that many non-gun people wouldn't be aware of that. Would I be wrong in thinking that most fully automatics would NOT be classified as high powered? If I'm hijacking this thread, just let me know and I'll quit. Thanks.

 

Don't confuse High powered with Full-Auto. My 1942 Winchester Model 70 Bolt Action would be considered High Powered. Anything intended for 100 yard use or better can probably be considered High Powered. Basically the concern about high power is that your typical vest won't stop them. You need either a thick, steel plate or ceramic plate to stop a round. Last I knew, the ceramic plate is pretty much only good for a single shot. Even if you had these, you're probably gonna be incapacitated for a bit after taking a shot. While I was in the academy, they sacrificed 4 vests that we use (purposely not posting make). 1 phonebook between each layer. 1 shot of a .223 passed through all. Same make of vest stopped multiple shots from 9mm ball and hydro-shocks.

 

GW - you cannot classify anything into a most catagory. They can be either or....actually, any firearm is high power if you know what I am saying...

Take a class on shooting safety. Fun and informative. You may like it and might have to feed yourself with one someday....

I was looking at handguns in a pawn shop yesterday. Another guy was there buyin a painball gun. Being my paranoid self, I kept my eye on him and the shop owner while I was looking...sure enough that guy covered me with the painball gun and squeezed it off....good thing for him it was unloaded. There would have been a brawl of enormous proportions and my friendly sherrif would be asking how that gun got where it was....I was very irritated and left immediately without saying a word.

sorry for the highjack.

I still do not see how a man can shoot his own son .

 

Thanks guys. I appreciate the clarification.

And I fully agree with you JKE. I don't understand killing your own either. Obviously a man with deep deep problems.

 

I don't think he is (was) a man at all.

~Rob

 

I have an Ak and is is not fully auto nor would I want one fully auto.

 

DD4x4 - I have heard that it is extremely hard on parts...wears them out fast. I also heard that they aren't built all that great to begin with...?? - JKE

 

From what I read over at Glock Talk the CHL holder was carrying a Colt .45 (1911 Model). He also, at least at one time, owned a gun range there in Tyler that was oriented towards teaching people self defense.

I saw a fairly long story about Wilson on the news last night from his memorial service. They made him out to be a hero, which I was happy to see.

 

I'm afraid he had too much confidence in his weapon and abilities and let better judgment fall aside. As mentioned in an earlier post about the "keyhole shot", if you can't make it against a simi-auto rifle, get outta there.

I too read the article and give the man a lot of credit for trying to do the right thing. At least he acted while a lot of the law officers were taking cover in the courthouse. There's no doubt that he reduced the threat of further death and injury. It's too bad good people have to die trying to stop a scumbags.

One report gave him credit for saving the shooters sons life. It will be interesting to hear the comments from the son about the man that tried to kill his father while trying to save his life.

 

Any autofire will increase the wear and tear on a rifle, but if there was ever a combat rifle made to take the abuse, it would be the AK. The quality worksmanship in the AK variants varies, from fairly crude (Chinese and Romanian) to very high quality (Bulgarian and Hungarian). They may not be pretty and might not appeal to everyone, but you gotta marvel at it's functioning. I have put alot of rounds thru captured AK-47's and 74's, in addition to civilian semi's and in all the rounds I have fired, only once had a stoppage. A failure to feed, caused by a soft-point nose diving on its way to the chamber.

 

I agree.

One article I read about the shooting said that there was also another civilian who traded shots with the shooter while using a Chevrolet pickup for cover. It didn't say whether this person had a CHL or anything else about them, just that they tried stopping the shooter also.

 

FWIW
One of the wittnesses said Wilson fired two shots and ducked back down behind a "car", and was shot when he stuck his head up again.

 

It does me good to hear about Wilson. What a guy. There are plenty who would just turn tail and run or never even try to help. An AK whether auto or semi packs a punch and taking one in the head is bad news. There are plenty of guys I would not want to be up against that were carrying a 45 auto though. The bad guy just had the odds with the body armor, making a head shot the only way to effectively knock him down with a 45.

I am glad the shooter is dead. He was obviously broken.

 

What do you guys think would have happened to the Civilian if he would have killed the robber, and lived?

Personally, I think he should walk free for saving innocent lives.



it took allot of nads to do what he did. I salute him.