TAPPING TERRORISTS PHONE LINES, good thing, or bad thing.


This is the Democrats position:

The Department of Homeland Security under President Bush is not doing enough to protect the American people from terrorists, AND the President is violating the Constitution by fighting the war on terror with wire taps.

This position is of course self contradicting and generally stupid. How does the Administration fight terror if it has to know the names of the terrorists, their locations and phone numbers in advance to go to a court and get permission to tap their phones to find out about the next attack? The Democrat leaders headed by Howard Dean want to ties the hands of the Administration in the war on terror because they see successful attacks on the United States as benefiting their election hopes in 2006. As for the wiretaps themselves: I have read that actual terror attacks since 9-11 in the United States have been averted because of the wiretaps by the NSA.

As for your civil rights .... the government does not have the manpower or the will to tap phones to find out if Americans are cheating on their taxes or their spouses. The concerns of leftists that Bush will "peek into our bedrooms" is ridiculous and is no reason to allow terrorists to plant bombs before they are arrested.

The bottom line is.....The Democrats are willing to put OUR lives at risk if they think it will help them in the 2006 election.

Me personally, I have ALWAYS considered anythingI say on a CELL PHONE to be available to anyone and everyone. Sort of like anything you say on a CB radio.

 

Well Said!!!

 

Wiretaps...What next? My biggest complaint is this administrations willingness to circumvent current laws to do what they want in the “name” of fighting terror. To make this a democratic problem is, once again, ridiculous.
As far as 9/11 is concerned, it could have also been adverted if they had just read (and acted upon) the intel they were provided.

I’m not particularly concerned about them listening to me because I don’t give them a reason to. I have always lived my life as if I were on camera all the time. If you do that you don’t have to worry too much about doing anything that will get you in big trouble.

Be careful what you say, “Big Brother” is now listening.

Britt

 

Don't think this just started, it has been going on and always will. Be careful what you type here, or in your PM's or E-mails-it's all "scanned"

 

If a little watching by the gov't is what takes to keep us safe, so be it. When was the last time they interferred with your life (no fair mentioning the IRS)? Freedom isn't free, contrary to what many believe.

Ask yourself, what price are you willing to pay to keep our nation safe?

Something to consider. During the battle of the bulge, 19,000 of our soldiers died over a 6 week period. They believed giving it all was the price, can we do anything less?

 

I could be completely wrong about this but I've heard that they have monitoring stations that monitor EVERYTHING including phone conversation. I'm no conspiracy theorest. I've also heard that the only way they mess with you is if you say key words like bomb, kill, president in the same conversation.

So that means if you say "After I get through dropping a BOMB in the bathroom I'm going to KILL the dog for digging in the yard, oh and by the way the PRESIDENT of my company is coming over for dinner tonight"

Crazy stuff.

 

Actually they know that terrorist won't use words like Bomb or Kill in they're secret communiques, they scan for phrases like "The Surprise Package arrives at the port Tomorrow" or "The Gift is in place and ready as you directed"

You get the general idea here

 

Relax, we all know the govt. would never lie to or deceive us.

 

Sounds like a lot of Canadians and how they think with our criminal government.
I did notice that my tin can with string to the neighbors tin can phone had an extra string going out to the lane. Nothing to be concerned with I am sure.

LOL We are safe up because we have no guns.
Scotty

 

Now, I could be wrong on this, but here is my take on this if it is to be a Rep. v. Dem. issue:

If it is all right for the aministration to do it as it is being said, then some day when the Democrats will be in power (do not laugh or kringe, it will be sooner or later) can you imagine what will they listen too?

Is it not true that the Govenment can tap first and get warrant later? or something like that... if so why give the impression if not the fact of circumventing the law?

ON EDIT: If you think that because you do not have anything to hide it is OK for the government to monitor you, you could NOT be any more DEAD WRONG. It was the same line of crap that the communist governments fed their people, I know, I've been there, done that. Orvel comes to mind...

 

over in the quotes thread, someone posted a quote from one of our greatest founding fathers....
I beleive this relates to the issue of random and warrantless telephone tapping.....
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin

When we begin sacrificing our civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism , the terrorists have won. They have changed our nation and our lifestyle to more closely resemble their own beliefs.
I can not in any way see how cutting into our constitutional rights is "preserving" the "american way" .
It is allowing the terrorists to manipulate our nation and our lives as surely as if they were setting off bombs in our streets.
There are some risks that a part of life, and some things that must remain sacred no matter the costs.
We are already losing this battle, we are allowing our own goverment to behave in a way that alters the very fabric of our society, and goes against the principles that we, as a nation, live by.
It is not a question of political party, but rather a question of how important to us are the ideals that this nation was founded on, and are we so scared of the terrorists that we will sacrifice our liberties in the hope it may give us some 'temporary safety"?? Or are we, like the men who have fought and died in combat for our country, willing to take the risks rather than see those ideals lost.
We are so quick to tout freedom at the world and hold ourselves up as an example, yet when put to the test, how dearly do we ourselves hold those ideals?????
Just my opinion....

 

I am a storm chaser in the spring, and you would be suprised how easy it is to pick up cell phone and wireless phone conversations on the equipment I use...its really kinda freaky to think about. One of my neighbors home wireless phone was on (or close to) the same frequency as an automated weather station in town so i would have to wait for him to stop talking so i could hear what the weather was like!

 

The Goverment is not infringing on your rights of 'Freedom of speech." You can say what you want to say, and still be free. I think it is OK for them to moniter the conversations, as long as they get a warrent before recording conversation. The first time you say something that could be taken as a threat to our safety, now you have given them 'Reasonable Cause' to get a warrent. The next time you say it, it has been redorded ( with the courts permision ), and you have dug your own grave. That gives them ability to 'scan' for, and stop terorist, before another 9-11.

 

Let me see if I got this right? I think we can agree that the "monitoring" of a conversation falls in the category of "search" Now then if what you are saying is OK then it is OK to bust down your door, or pick the lock, search your house and if something "bad" is found then get a warrant? I am willing to bet that THAT in NOT what you really want.

Lets take it one step further in a hypotetical situation: A book in found on your book shelve. Lets call it a "BAD" book. Does that make you bad? How did you get it? Why did you get it? Did you read it? Did you agree with it? Did you just read it to see how the writer thinks or what the writer wants? How would you want to be put into a "category" without firts clarifying all the above questions?

 

YES!, lets get it straight from the get-go, this is NOT a political party thing, this stretches across all parties.

1) The point is, he can already get these warrants through the regular channels, and yes, even in the middle of the night if needed.

2) I agree with the thought, "What's Next?" That is what we should be worried about.

Can anyone tell us that if we were doing then (pre 9/11) what we feel like we have to do now, that planes wouldn't have flown into buildings?
I believe NO. The old crap about, "Well if he doesn't do this then the Dem's wil blast him for it" is getting old.

These quotes from our founding fathers are not "Outdated" or they don't "Not apply today. They are of utmost importance. These were wealth guys, most of which ended up exhausting ALL of their personal monies to revolt against an oppresive, taxing government.

On the other hand, to some extent I agree to the point "If you aren't doing anything illegal, you don't have anything to worry about"
But, points # 1 & 2 superceed this.

Want to tackle an issue that ALL Americans are stressing on? How about getting RID of the people that are here, we know they are here, and we do nothing to really get them out???

I smell Impeachment proceedings. I'm not happy about it, but I see it comming.

A past Lawyer of Nixon was quoted as saying something to the effect of, "This is the first American President to actualy freely admit to breaking the Law while in office."


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