respect, ethics, morales.....have gone the way of favorite tv commercials and kicking the can fun.....

this fella did not have any reason to exceed even 70 mph. He put a fellow cop in a hard test and I do agree with Dudley Do right of Michigan (REDLEG hehehe)
-'police' our own. firefighters do it too, or the chief will. take that soul aside and counsel them or explain what the heck it felt like to NOT document their actions, then have them repeat it and strike a kid. etc.

some people ya just can't talk to.....

(for the 18 yo flee- no agency wanted to go in the water with the ice chunks OUR SAFETY first- ok, that's cool. but 30 cops in patrol gear and bulletproof vests all on the vertical river bank? you will not float pal, and for what? just to say you were there? stupid. car was all electric and nothing works in water, kid was scared to death and froze- reason why we have swift water rescue in the first place. Troopers who were not in command of the scene, told fire company to cease and desist. vehicle still had to be recovered.
made State police do the confirmation and hook up with surface assist by fire.
ended up (comments kept to myself) the only SP female dove four times for evidence and recovery, my water rescue team- surface safety.) of course, the public story was vastly different. i hate cover-ups. fairness is my life.

We have already suffered the loss of five troopers last year. tossing more money at the problem doesn't cut it. so now it is a very superior attitude of importance they teach. least contact with the public and 2nd trooper back up prior to any intervention. in my area? wow, better to have your own gun
two home invasions out here did not even warrant a response.....these times they are a-changin' (bob dylan I believe?) I still heartfully thank the older cops that want to talk to the public, will talk to the speeding young female driver about safety, and look the part of the football linebacker who will come to help you, no matter what. I want everyone to be the RCMP of old I guess...or just act like (admin guy)Totally Rad.....hehehe

 

yeah, i think we are getting older... and wishing more folks would act thier age

we need to start issuing these to parents of unruly kids

would save police a lot of work.

 

Oldschooldodge,not my style,more fun at http://www.thunderhill.com/html/trackmap.html.

 

I am going to stretch my neck out here, fully accepting the consequences for my statement.

I personally think there is, and should be a level of respect and tolerance for the brotherhood, regardless of what people who DO NOT do my job or the job of a police officer day in and day out may think. As a civilian one can only form an opinion on what one see's in the media, or what you may witness in a fragmented, brief second that a cruiser or fire truck may be doing something that you may feel and deem inappropriate.

Without actually doing the job, one can not have an educated opinion, period. You can say what ever you like, but that is an absolute fact.

As far as a cop losing his job over doing something stupid, all I can say is this, what ever happened to progressive discipline? He did not deserve to lose his job over it. A 30 day unpaid suspension? sure. Working in the office after his suspension? Sure.

All the nay sayers get the benefit "legally" of progressive discipline whether they are union or not, so why is this guy any different? Because the media got a hold of it? I say horse crap!

People call 911 for every conceivable problem under the sun, (and then some). A police officer or firefighter is going to respond to deal with someone's problem and find them some type of resolution to their problem days in and days out, so in the process of solving and fixing everyone's problems we are bound to make a mistake, so let the actual punishment fit the crime.


Bring it on,


Tim

 

What's to bring on? You're right!

chaikwa.

 

Does anyone know if this was the Officers first offense? Maybe it was progressive punishment. I do not know. After rereading the article I see he has suspended for 3 and 20 days previously.........progressive punishment?

 

what am i looking for there. funny thing was that chase was local for me. you will see normally troopers will ease off on straight-aways for safety of them and others. that doesnt indicate they are being outran. that means they are emitting some level of safety to a chase and protocol.

there are specific reasons that GM dropped the forbidden caprice platform. for sheer lack of sales and profitability same as the camaro. they didnt make a dumb-*** decision they made a very smart decision not to waste more money and produce lack-luster vehicle bombs. if those two said vehicles were superior to their competition i would assume we would still see them being produced today.

 

Absolutely ........ police, firefighters, military .... we all police our own for the benefit of others. If you haven't walked in the shoes, then you really have nothing but an uneducated opinion.

Progressive discipline does work if left unmolested and out of the scrutiny of the public whiners. Naturally, there are some that just won't get with the program and they will get weeded out ... but they will be very uncomfortable up until that point !!

Cheers,
PISTOL

 

I did not read that, so if that's the case then yes its progressive, and with the severity of the incident then it must have been warranted.

Tim

 

Maybe they should have used the Impala SS platform, ie: tire and wheels and suspension over the police package. My 96 SS handled excellent. Had a factory tested 156 mph top speed. And felt as steady at 130 mph as it did at 60. And they pulled almost the same G's on a skidpad as the Corvette of the same year. Which shows the rearend was not light on the SS package. Mine also ran a best of 14.38 in stock trim with nothing more than an Ed Wright reprogrammed ECM, a homemade cold air intake and a 160 thermostat. Although 1 tire off an SS would cost what all 4 do on a cruiser. As far the brotherhood thing. Keep that mind the next time you hear a leo tell someone that the law is the law. Then listen to LEO's saying they are above the law. And you will see why Government is what it is today. Your leaders in Washington feel the same way. I have many friends that are LEO's. But they agree with me that if a law is written for people to follow. They must also follow it.

 

Well put Tim, I agree.

The bold texted part is what I think is important. Regardless of what you do for a living in some way you can help or hinder who you are dealing with.

It boils down to brotherhood and how we individually define it. Will I give another LEO some slack, you better believe it.

This morning at about 01:37 am I paced a car at 85+ plus in a 60 zone for upwards of 2 miles, I even tailgated so he would notice the light bar and slow down. He never noticed.

He had a daughter in the car with downs syndrome who was in the backseat screaming and grabbing at him when I made contact with the family on the passenger side. We did not speak the same language but we both tried and he got a warning.

Brotherhood. He had a tough road and both of us did nothing to complicate it.

 

You don't think everyone has a tough row to hoe? Whats so special about your chosen profession? Think he may have been a danger going over the speed limit and as distracted as he was.

 

Of course everybody has to reap what they sow.

I knew he was by not noticing the marked unit behind him.

There is nothing special about my profession, it has a certain skill set required but we are always hiring.

No, he was not paying attention, that is why he was stopped.

 

What you are looking for there is the Impala pulling away from the CV after every turn. The troopers may have been easing off in the straights, but I highly doubt it. In the grand sceme of things, a stock 1996 Impala SS isn't that fast, but it will out run a stock CV anyday(the #'s don't lie). Explain why the Caprice platform is forbidden, and if I recall correctly the 94-96 Impala SS cars sold like hotcakes.

 

Much safer and no jail time.