I was at a local gun shop yesturday just browsing about and saw a gun that struck my fancy it was a 10MM i have been wanting a 10MM for a while now and this one looked real nice i picked it up and looked it over...looked and felt good only thing is i dont know anything about the brand it is an EAA (European American Arms) Witness 10MM and i can get it for 300 out the door brand new with a box of ammo. Are these decent guns? Is this a good deal? any info is much appreciated! ;D<br>Thanks <br>Ian

 

From all I have heard, the EAA's are good firearms. The only problem with 10mm is the ammo availability. If you are a reloader it is probably not a problem, but I deduce that you are not a reloader since you appear unfamiliar with EAA and the 10mm cartridge. If I were you, I would look closer at either a .40 S&amp;W (any make) or a .45 auto, since both have a much wider availability of ammo in a variety of loadings. Having said that, the 10mm is a good self defence cartridge, and if you have a particular liking for it, then by all means get one and shoot it regularly to gain proficiency. I shoot just about every pistol cartridge readily available, reload for most of them, and can say that regardless of size and recoil the key to success is practice. HTH.

 

10mm factory loads are $$$ .<br>

 

I own a Springfield Armory XD 40 (40S&amp;W) i love it i also have a Springfield armory Loaded 1911 (40S&amp;W) and love it as well the rest of my guns are long guns i have been reading on the 10mm round and like what i read and can get the ammo pretty cheap from this guy he will sell me 50 target round for 11 dollars a box and 20 self proteciton rounds for 13 dollars a box. I was just wondering about the brand havent heard much about them or anything so if it is a good-un i would like to pick it up from what i can tell that is a good price.

 

The 10 MM fell out of favor when the .40 S&amp;W came along. It falls in between the faster 9 MM and the larger, slower .45, just like the .40 S&amp;W. I remember almost buying a slicked out 10 MM Colt Gov't model knockoff (Bren if I recall) some years ago when they were the latest and greatest thing. If the gun fits your hand well and you don't mind spending more money on ammo then it may not be a bad deal.<br><br>As GrandPa said, practice is the key. You can carry a hand cannon around but if you can't hit what you are aiming for you might as well carry a rock.<br>

 

Correct me if i am wrong... But isnt a 10mm a 40 cal with a longer brass? Thusfor making it faster than a 40 or 9mm. So isnt it basicly a hopped 40 cal? So would you guys advise against the 10mm?? I love my 40 cals i just like to collect and figured a 10mm wouldnt be a bad thing for a collection. Eventually i would like to have multiple calibers and brands and styles but i gotta start somewhere! ;D

 

The 10mm is a good cartridge. It fell out of favor because some of the original pistols were not made with strong enough slide rails to take the hotter loads that were manufactured in Europe. The EAA probably will, since it is made in Europe and imported by EAA. If the gun is in good condition, the $300 is a good deal and your friend loading ammo for it at $11.00 a box (of 50) is not expensive either. I shoot (and load for) .25 auto, .380 auto, .38 spl., .357 mag, .41 mag, .40 S&amp;W, .44 spl., .44 mag., .45 long colt, .45 auto, and .50 AE pistols, both in revolver and auto. I got some good training years ago, and practice regularly, and can shoot any of them proficiently and effectively. Will I win any competitions? Probably not. Can I take deer and defend my home - most affirmatively! The key is getting the training up front for the good techniques, then practice them regularly. 8)

 

So since this is a brand new gun 300 dollars is probably a good deal right? Eventually i would like to start reloading but for now my buddy's 11 dollar specials will have to do haha ;D i get 50 40 S&amp;W from him for 6 bucks though i like that!! My 40's have seen a lot of ammo in the little time i have owned them i like to think i am becoming a proficient shooter (not there yet but getting there) ;D

 

Yep, if it is brand new $300 is a good buy.

 

[quote author=97CTD link=board=10;threadid=13932;start=0#130933 date=1051107289]<br>Correct me if i am wrong... But isnt a 10mm a 40 cal with a longer brass? Thusfor making it faster than a 40 or 9mm. So isnt it basicly a hopped 40 cal? So would you guys advise against the 10mm?? I love my 40 cals i just like to collect and figured a 10mm wouldnt be a bad thing for a collection. Eventually i would like to have multiple calibers and brands and styles but i gotta start somewhere! ;D<br>[/quote]<br><br>Yes, you're right. The 10MM is the same as the .40 but with longer brass. I've heard lots of good things about it, but I know it can be expensive and hard to find factory loads. <br><br>As far as the gun itself, I'm not familiar with that brand so I can't help you much. I highly recommend the Glock 29 though if you're wanting a 10 MM.<br><br>And like others said...practice.

 

97CTD IMHO, I would not use the reloads for self defense. Not from a reliability standpoint, but for courtroom reasons. I reload for all my guns, but for a carry gun I allways use factory ammo. You don't want an attorney in court saying you were using reload to be more destructive. Just my .02

 

Very good point.<br><br>Many also argue that you shouldn't use hollow points for the same reason, but I dismiss this argument based on the fact that most (if not all perhaps) law enforcement agencies use hollow points.

 

Well I've carried a handgun since I was 18, I've shot at many competitions, am a fair gunsmith.<br><br>I carry a 1911 .45 and the only thing keeping me from buying 10mm is the peoples Replublic of California! The 10mm is the best self defense round for and auto there is, and for you guys worried about lawyers and court, 2 shots center of mass is a term used to describe the preferred method of &quot;defense&quot; IF it comes to me pulling the trigger, I want to do the most damage possible, and the intent is death!! I would rather stand in court and be judged, then taken to the cemetary to be burried!!<br><br>The EAA is fair gun and for $300 I'd buy it in a nano second, STI makes the best 10mm but they start out about $1,500. As soon as I get transferred out of this godforsaken state, I'll be buying one!!<br><br>That's my .02

 

Master Diver, you have my sympathies for having to live in the people's republic of California. I have had many opportunities to move there career wise in the past, but the rabid anti-gun faction in that state has precluded any serious thought on my part for living there. Hunting and shooting sports are my chosen hobby; I swage my own bullet jackets, swage my own bullets using those jackets, cast bullets for most of my handguns, load my own rounds, etc, and it woulod have been prohibitively difficult to acquire all the stuff necessary for this out there. Heck, Cabela's can't even ship a pair of their featherwight Kangaroo boots to California addresses!? I think I'll just stay in Texas.

 

Speaking of guns.........<br>Here's a Darwin Award Candidate:<br><br>Texas Teen Blinded in Potato-Gun Incident<br>4/23/2003 <br>A 17-year-old Denton, Texas, teenager was blinded when a potato gun misfired, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported April 16.<br><br>A potato gun consists of a tube, a combustion chamber, and an igniter. Projectiles, such as potatoes, can be loaded into the tube and fired several hundred feet when a propellant is ignited in the chamber.<br><br>Daniel Berry was with friends fishing at a local creek when they saw a group of teenagers shooting potatoes out of the gun. One of the teens came up with the idea of putting frogs in the tube. When the gun began to misfire, Berry went over to help. He was looking down the barrel of the toy gun when it shot a frog into his face.<br><br>&quot;The frog hit him with a force more than a gun,&quot; said his mother, Lisa. &quot;If it had been a potato or a rock, it would have killed him. It would have blown the top of his head off.&quot;<br><br>A spokeswoman for the Department of Public Safety said the Texas Penal Code classifies potato guns as illegal weapons. The teens purchased the gun on the Internet.<br><br>Berry requires reconstructive surgery for several facial fractures. Doctors also are discussing fitting him with prosthetic eyes.<br>