Wonderful - just checked my department-issued G19 and it starts with an "E." Guess I'll forward the info to our armorer.

 

I would suggest doing that, have them call glock too...

my gun became very dangerous when this happened...I'll go thru what happened...

I had just gotten a 1/2 case of 40 cal Black Talons, I wanted to see how they shoot compared to any other defense or target round...
I loaded a 15-rd clip into my G22 at my local gun club, took aim pulled the trigger once and it shot twice.. I thought huh, ok, that was a 1st, so I took aim again and it shot three times and I was **** sure that I didn't pull it more than once....so I disassembled the slide and saw that the rear rail on the "grip" was broken...

When I went back to the dealer they called glock, glock told him that is the left rear slide breaks the slide ends up "****-eyed" on the rails, causing the trigger to "stick" and if are shooting higher velocity ammo it will empty a clip with one pull of the trigger...

They told me that If I was to shake or hit the gun just right on the side of it that the gun would have emptied the rest of the clip..... that could be a very dangerous thing....

 

Regarding junk, there are obviously some guns that are better than others, but it is my opinion that you should stick with name brand gun manufacturers who have made reputations for themselves for making quality firearms.

Among others, some of those are Glock, Sig Arms, H&K, S&W, Ruger, Colt, Springfield, Kimber, Beretta and probably several others that I just can't think of right now. Taurus makes a pretty good revolver but I can't say that I've been impressed with their pistols.

I was never a Glock fan until I tried one. That was all it took. For the money, it's hard to beat a Glock. Heck, it's hard to beat a Glock period in my opinion.

 

To clarify, I'm not sure if that applied to ALL Glocks with a serial number beginning in "E" or that it only applied to a certain series. It is worth checking into though....and if you want more information then www.glocktalk.com is a good place to start (although it might be faster to just contact Glock directly). I know they replaced a lot of frames over the issue.

 

My experience with Taurus has been mixed. I've had one good gun, one great gun, one fun piece of crap, and one total nightmare. Good gun was the 617, medium frame 7 shot .357. It was as comfortable to shoot as you could expect from a 2" barrel .357, I loved the Ribber Grip. I sold it to finance another gun when I lost too much weight to conceal it easily. The great gun is my PT-111 (9mm semi-auto, plastic frame). An excellent gun for the money IMO. I've put at least 3,000 rounds through this thing, and it has been nearly perfect. The only malfunction I've had is with military surplus ammo, it doesn't smack the primers hard enough to fire them reliably. Civillian ammo works no problem. About a year ago one of the plastic dowels that holds the slide rails to the frame cracked, Taurus shipped me one and I replaced it. The trigger isn't the best, it feels like you're squeezing a piece of plastic (duh), but it's not horrible. Fun piece of crap is my PT-22, a fun little pocket pistol that functions great but cracks frames (I'm on my 3rd). It's had at least 5,000 rounds through it though. The total nightmare was the 605. Brutal to shoot (no surprise there, what do you want from a .357 snubby) and totally unreliable. It would lock up for no reason, had it back to Taurus twice. I think they fixed it the second time, but I didn't trust it anymore.

 

Did a little more checking and mine is okay. The affected serial numbers are in the "ELD" to "EVB" range. That's a relief....

 

Beginning to think maybe I oughta try a glock.

Gun show coming up weekend after next, what can I expect to pay for one?

Being that gun shows feature mostly used firearms, anything special to look for?


phox

 

check www.thehighroad.org

They have stuff fer sale forums at the bottom.
That's where I found the Colt CMDR I'm looking at.

 

Forgot to add I have no idea where to start as far as model numbers, calibers, etc.

Want something concealable but still retains stopping power.

Never had a .40 before so thinking about that.


phox

 

I looked at the Kimbers, the Glocks, and all the rest of them and ended up with this one. I love it.

http://www.paraord.com/pages/lda_hig...y.html#carry12

 

The.40 is a great defense round. My dad carries a S&W Scandium .357 that thing is brutal! I think I would take my chances whipping someone before I had to shoot them with that thing. It weighs 12 oz. It's a great carry gun and packs a punch but shooting it is like taking your hand and slamming it on a table as hard as you can. I love my Springfield Compact.

 

Cool.

 

First of all, at least when it comes to the two major gun shows held here in the DFW area, they sell just as much new stuff as they do used stuff.

Regarding pricing, just a base Glock with nothing added should cost you no more than $500. At least that's what they run in my area. The local Galyan's is selling all of their Glocks for $479 right now. That's a pretty good price, but I've seen them at gun shows WITH night sights for just under $500 (which is also a good price).

There are lots of places that will try to sell you just a base Glock with no extras for $550 or more. In my opinion they are asking too much. You can do much better than that...especially used.

That said, I just paid $569 for my G22, but it came with factory night sights (about an $80 add if you buy them separately) and two 15 round magazines (lots of places are still including 10 round magazines with their guns). I might could have gotten it cheaper at the gun show, but that is a month away and I didn't want to be unarmed for a month.

 

I would recommend going to a gun range that rents guns and shooting several of them to see what you like.

Fortunately, Glock gives you several sizes to choose from in every caliber.

If you want a 9mm, the Glock 26 is the sub-compact gun. Then there is the G19 and then the full size G17. If you get a 9mm then the ammo you choose for self defense is critical. The 9mm isn't known for its stopping power. The advantage to the 9mm is that target ammo is dirt cheap so you can practice a lot.

If you want a .40, which is a VERY good self defense round in my opinion, the G27 is the sub-compact gun (same size as G26 and G33). Great gun for concealed carry. Bigger is the G23 and the the full size is the G22. They also make a G24 and a G35 I believe, but those probably wouldn't work well for concealed carry.

If you're into the .45, the G36 is a slim single stack gun that is GREAT for concealed carry. Problem is it only holds 6 rounds (maybe 7....I don't recall). Next up is the G30 which is very popular and holds 10 rounds.. The full size is the G21.

I should mention that most of the sub-compact and compact Glocks will accept magazines from the full size Glocks. For example, the G23 will accept the 15 round magazines used for the G22. They stick out past the bottom of the grip, but they are ideal for use as a spare magazine because it gives you that much more ammo.

Glock also has other calibers. The .357 Sig is pretty popular and then there's the high powered 10 mm. The also have a new one out called .45 GAP (Glock Action Pistol). I don't fully understand why they created this gun or the round it fires. It's basically a wimpy .45, but it's available if you're interested.

Go to www.glock.com and look at their pistols. Their website hasn't been updated in years, but there's still some good information there.

 

Phox, if this for concealed carry, what size are you looking at? how are you going to carry? waist?sholder holster? ankle?
I carried a Walther PPK .380 in an ankle holster for years before the wifey took it 'cause it was so easy to conceal. I loved it becuase all the safetys, ect were identical to the SW 45 I caried on my hip. There was no mental switch as to how to use the gun regardless of which one I had out. Great little gun too after I smoothed out the ramp a little...The .40 is now my weapon of choice after being a .45 fan for a long time. I like the mid-size frame and the smoothness of the trigger of my Sig 226.
The bottom line though is that it is your choice. A weapon , particularly a C/C one needs to be something you are comfortable enough with to be able to deploy effecetivly in a hurry. Most of the rest of it comes second to that, cause it aint no good if it caint be used...
I mean, say, that if you are going to carry in a way that large sights might get caught and prevent a smooth draw, then that is something you would want to avoid in selecting a gun for example.
The best " Stopping Power" is good round placement....