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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Ripper406
Im pretty sure they use huge hydraulic presses to get the frame to bow, and then they cut small square holes in them to hold shape. Would be too difficult to do this on a personal trailer.
Actually, those beams are made that way by cutting the web out of long plate, then adding the top and bottom flanges. They're called fabricated beams.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
BTW just for arguments sake, the strongest shape structuraly is a circle...
I realy didn't have a clue about this, but figured it would start a good discussion......
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisreyn
I realy didn't have a clue about this, but figured it would start a good discussion......
I think the strongest shape, at least as far as this board is concerned, is Scotty.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NORM
BTW just for arguments sake, the strongest shape structuraly is a circle...
Not necessarily. It depends on how and where the load is applied. Take a ball for example and sit on it. It deformes very easily. Now take an egg shaped object and sit on the pointy end. Does it deform? Take that same ball and apply massive air pressure from inside and it stays the same shape. (overlooking expansion here) Now take some other shape, let's say a square tube of the same wall thickness as the ball and fill it with the same massive amount of air. It will deform. I could give other examples, but hopefully you get the idea.
For the purpose of answering the original question, the shape of the structural member is important, but even more important is how the loads are applied to said member. For example, take a length of channel. If that channel is web side vertical or web side horizontal, the bending loads will vary tremendously. The same idea applies to angle iron; place one leg vertical or at an angle of 45 degrees and everything changes.
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rauschbo
The derivation of strength comparisons and Section Modulii are a bit beyond the scope of this thread, but the wide flange (I-Beam) is stronger than a rectangle......

...if weight is a consideration (weight of the beams), you can back-calculate a required section modulus given the load + factor of safety, then find the requisite beam / tube dimensions - and weight/ft. - from any of dozens of ASME of industry handbooks.
Thanks for posting that. I think I was confusing my Aerodynamics classes (the "parabolic" reference) with my engineering classes. It's hard for a Poli Sci guy to keep that all straight
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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chaikwa
I think the strongest shape, at least as far as this board is concerned, is Scotty.

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Old Jan 18, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rauschbo
Load across the beam is linear:

<--------- Surface: Tensile Stress
<-------
<-----
<---
<-
----------------- Load is -0- across the neutral Axis -------------
->
--->
----->
------->
---------> Surface of lower web: Compressive Stress

Note that the load bearing regions are in the actual webs of the beam

The derivation of strength comparisons and Section Modulii are a bit beyond the scope of this thread, but the wide flange (I-Beam) is stronger than a rectangle......

...if weight is a consideration (weight of the beams), you can back-calculate a required section modulus given the load + factor of safety, then find the requisite beam / tube dimensions - and weight/ft. - from any of dozens of ASME of industry handbooks.
bending stresses are in the flanges and shear stresses are in the web. shear cant be ignored for a trailer.

*edit: i'd go c channel and maybe some S channels in there (wide or standard depending on load)

also, check this out as it will would give you a good heads up...

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