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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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I can't find the post.....

A while back there was someone who posted quite a lengthy reason as to WHY they carried that had some great points and some great reasoning that I'd like to re-read. Their response was about 1/2 of the screen type...

Anyone know where I'd find this, or what I'm refering to?

It was in reference to CCW permits, but I've searched for a while and can't find it.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but...

10 things non-gun people should know about CHL holders.

1. We don't carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal
safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all
dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply
making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don't walk
down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don't get intoxicated in public or
hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and
don't hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is
our last resort, not our first.

2. We don't think we are cops, spies, or superheros. We aren't hoping
that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we
can shoot a criminal. We don't take it upon ourselves to get involved in
situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by
and being a good witness. We don't believe our guns give us any authority
over our fellow citizens. We also aren't here to be your unpaid volunteer
bodyguard. We'll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to
some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of
responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary
circumstances your business is your business, don't expect us to help you
out of situations you could have avoided.

3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or rage
incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed
citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the
responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of
temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a
traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are
more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don't pull
our guns to settle arguments or to attempt to threaten people into doing
what we want.

4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children
and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have
invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security
measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various
organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.

5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made
precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to
fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not
discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun
simply laying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on
its own.

6. We do not believe in the concept of accidental discharges. There are
no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional
discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how
to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun
going off was the result of negligence on somebody's part. Our
recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us
among the safest firearms owners in America.

7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly
that: concealed. However, there are times with an observant fellow
citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our
clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime
are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that
our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes
irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do
happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear
thinking if they feel to need to take action. Please recognize that its
very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the
need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be
specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a
store manager or private security. Please don't generalize or
sensationalize what you observed. Comments like there's a guy running
around in the store with a gun or even simply I saw a man with a gun in
the store could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature
of the incident.

8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that
we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to
be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible.
However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any
time. Criminals do not observe gun free zones. If trouble does come, we
do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we
don't usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any
given time based on "how safe" we think a location is.

9. Concealed handgun license holders are an asset to the public in times of
trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay
out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a
careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in
situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives.
Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers
are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the
attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when
resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal
can do as he pleases.

10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed
at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit
holders don't believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We
recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a
firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do
encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose
not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the
ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before:
criminals do not observe gun free zones. Help by not supporting laws that
require citizens to be unarmed victims.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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Hoss

Something told me you'd be the one to find it!

Where'd this come from?

Thanks a ton.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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No problem. I keep that email handy just in case I come across an anti.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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That's what I'm working on. My dad's an ex-judge and anti-gun. I'll be working with him when I finish my JD and thought I'd start now about why I will be carrying in the office, and everywhere I legally can.

So, This and any other info would be greatly appreciated!
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Unless there is some reason for him to know I wouldn't even tell him. VERY few people know I carry a gun...and 75% of the few that do also carry.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 05:07 PM
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He knows I have a ccw. Like I said, it's my DAD. I'm getting to the point that I'm going to just carry view it as a non-issue since it'll be concealed.
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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I understand your frustration and conceal as well. I know a lot of the people I am around may not approve of it, but I will protect them as well, despite their view on the subject
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CODODGE2500MAN
He knows I have a ccw. Like I said, it's my DAD. I'm getting to the point that I'm going to just carry view it as a non-issue since it'll be concealed.
I meant just don't tell him when you're carrying. Concealed means concealed. If he asks then I would be truthful about it but I don't see any reason why you would need to volunteer that information. My dad has a CHL but we generally don't ask each other if we're carrying or not (it's just assumed in our case, but still).
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